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Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by lotsofpulp »

clnq wrote: post #18
lotsofpulp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

> The amortized cost for me is much less than any alternative Android. I think that with the trade-in program, I've spent a similar amount between 2016 and now upgrading to flagship OnePlus phones every year-ish. The software updates have been good. For example, OnePlus 8 series were the first non-Google smartphones to receive Android 13. They were about 2 years old at the time. The bathtub curve of reliability appli…

Upgrading every year is all cost to me. It has been many years since iPhones are sufficiently good, that I do not care enough about the marginal increases in speed/battery/screen/camera. If I have to spend any effort and time erasing my old phone and restoring a new one, and then doing the work to trade it in, is cost I would rather not incur.

I am also not aware of any battery-gate degradation issues. Around a thousand charge cycles, every 3 years maybe, I pay to get the battery replaced at Apple or Best Buy.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by slaw »

anm89 wrote: post #7
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

Easy, almost anyone can afford 36 $50 payments. Most fast food employees can afford that. On the other hand, I think as a country, an astonishing amount of people would be in a very bad spots if we head into an economic downturn.

My iPhone 13 was stolen after 11 months of use, so it was $880/11=$80 a month for me. I switched to Android, because Apple got rid of sim cards in newest iPhones.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by slaw »

kgbcia wrote: post #16
mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

$1500 phones might be an issue.

My phone cost $1 a month in this plan for 2 years.

You can have $15 a month plan in US or $2 a month in Cambodia. If you pay more, it means your phone cost is included in your phone plan.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

Agingcoder wrote: post #6
mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

$1500 phones might be an issue.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

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Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #10
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

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Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by ryandrake »

clnq wrote: post #18
lotsofpulp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

> The amortized cost for me is much less than any alternative Android. I think that with the trade-in program, I've spent a similar amount between 2016 and now upgrading to flagship OnePlus phones every year-ish. The software updates have been good. For example, OnePlus 8 series were the first non-Google smartphones to receive Android 13. They were about 2 years old at the time. The bathtub curve of reliability appli…

My daily driver is an iPhone 7 from seven years ago that still does absolutely everything I need a smartphone to do. I suspect the hardware will long outlive security updates, sadly. Like my O.G. iPad 1 which I still use. It's a shame that smartphone manufacturers' software support timelines produce so much working e-waste. Even Apple, who have among the best support lifetimes: they're still too short, and the hardware long outlasts the software. Sad.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by dahdum »

slaw wrote: post #22
anm89 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy, almost anyone can afford 36 $50 payments. Most fast food employees can afford that. On the other hand, I think as a country, an astonishing amount of people would be in a very bad spots if we head into an economic downturn.

My iPhone 13 was stolen after 11 months of use, so it was $880/11=$80 a month for me. I switched to Android, because Apple got rid of sim cards in newest iPhones.

> I switched to Android, because Apple got rid of sim cards in newest iPhones.

I was worried about the lack of sim card on the new iPhone due to travel but looking around I found many online eSIM providers. Easier than finding a local provider and you can get regional/global ones too.

May I ask what your use case is? Is it local phone numbers where country regulations prevent eSIM voice? That's the only downside I found but not relevant to my needs.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by seabriez »

twoodfin wrote: post #26
mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

$1500 phones might be an issue.

The issue was they couldn’t make enough of those $1500 phones for the holiday season. Supply, not demand.

It's a lie, used to fool investors into Apple FUD. How ironic and convenient to use this excuse for this qtr.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by simplotek »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #10
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

> I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years.

If you bought a mid-end Android each ear for the past year, you'd spend half the cash and you would always have up-to-date software.

The hard truth about iPhones is that they are way overpriced, and are a Veblen good.

Think about it for a second: Apple sells it's phones for a higher price than their fully featured and also overpriced laptops.

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