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Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by chii »

anm89 wrote: post #7
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

Easy, almost anyone can afford 36 $50 payments. Most fast food employees can afford that. On the other hand, I think as a country, an astonishing amount of people would be in a very bad spots if we head into an economic downturn.

> almost anyone can afford 36 $50 payments. Most fast food employees can afford that.

except if those fast food employees ceases to be employees in a downturn.

The problem is that taking on debt for consumable products is not a good financial decision. You don't need an iphone - you can live with a low-end android that could be had for less than $200.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

chii wrote: post #11
anm89 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy, almost anyone can afford 36 $50 payments. Most fast food employees can afford that. On the other hand, I think as a country, an astonishing amount of people would be in a very bad spots if we head into an economic downturn.

> almost anyone can afford 36 $50 payments. Most fast food employees can afford that. except if those fast food employees ceases to be employees in a downturn. The problem is that taking on debt for consumable products is not a good financial decision. You don't need an iphone - you can live with a low-end android that could be had for less than $200.

Fast food usually picks up in downturns. It’s the fancier restaurants that lose business.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by rcarr »

Agingcoder wrote: post #6
mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

$1500 phones might be an issue.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

From the day of release, you get about seven years before you stop being able to upgrade to the latest iOS version. Say you pay £800 for the phone and keep it for the full seven years, that works out at about 32p a day. For something that is increasingly integral to modern day life, that's a pretty good deal. That's also not accounting for the fact that you could sell it on for between £50 - £100 or keep it as a fully functioning device for a few more years, both of which make it even more economical. Add on the fact that you generally get tighter security and higher quality applications because there's more money floating about in the ecosystem which attracts more devs then, if you can afford it, it's a no brainer in my opinion.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

rcarr wrote: post #13
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

From the day of release, you get about seven years before you stop being able to upgrade to the latest iOS version. Say you pay £800 for the phone and keep it for the full seven years, that works out at about 32p a day. For something that is increasingly integral to modern day life, that's a pretty good deal. That's also not accounting for the fact that you could sell it on for between £50 - £100 or keep it as a full…

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Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by liminalsunset »

Agingcoder wrote: post #6
mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

$1500 phones might be an issue.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I personally buy a used Pro Max device with some warranty left for close to $1000 CAD (~750 USD USD) one year after it's released e.g. I'm using the 13 Pro Max now, which I bought after the 14 Pro Max was released.

One year later, I repeat this process, and sell the old one for about $850 CAD (~650 USD).

Under this system, I can "subscribe" for the second newest iPhone perpetually for $8.33 USD per month. Compared to the price of lunch, a parking pass, or even the service itself, this is negligible. I still have the warranty, so if something goes wrong I can still go to the Apple Store to have it replaced, and even though the hardware is not the newest, all of the firmware bugs have been totally worked out.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by pohl »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #5
icedchai wrote: post #4

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You know you can still run Windows for ARM, right?

Yeah, but not really much applications on it. Even something ubiquitous like Dropbox won't work on ARM. At least that's my experience with Windows 11 on ARM which I am using for testing.

It’s amazing that MS, despite its vast resources, hasn’t managed to improve this situation. Tiny, beleaguered NeXT had fat binaries for 4 architectures. Surely Redmond could solve this.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by clnq »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #10
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

> The amortized cost for me is much less than any alternative Android.

I think that with the trade-in program, I've spent a similar amount between 2016 and now upgrading to flagship OnePlus phones every year-ish. The software updates have been good. For example, OnePlus 8 series were the first non-Google smartphones to receive Android 13. They were about 2 years old at the time.

The bathtub curve of reliability applies to smartphones as it does to most electronics. The "infant mortality" failures can be covered by manufacturer warranty pretty well. But the "wear out" failures go up a lot in electronics after the first few years in my experience (with both Apple and other brands). In case of Apple, battery degradation and a bunch of build quality "-gates" come to mind.

So there is value in upgrading one's smartphone every year or two, ecology aside. I could do that with OnePlus phones but it might have been much too expensive for me to do it with iPhones.

Re: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016

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Post by hiccuvtv »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #10
Agingcoder wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that I don't quite understand who can afford their hardware (I'm not talking quality or value for money , just absolute price). I remember considering to buy an iPhone the last time I had to replace my phone, then realizing that not only a more or less equivalent android phone would be significantly cheaper, but that the Apple phone was outrageously expensive. It was so expensive in comparison that I th…

I have the opposite perception of prices. I can buy a $700 to $1,000 iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13, and I know it will work well and receive software updates for at least 5 years. I know this because of many years of experience, and I am using an iPhone XS from 2018 right now. My wife used an iPhone 6 from 2014 to 2018, and we still use it as a baby monitor, I used an iPhone 6S Plus from 2015 to 2020, and my daughter u…

Midrange android phones last me 6 years easy these days.

iPhones all have top of the line chips. A bunch of junk iPhone 8s I have lying around have better Geekbench scores than my android daily driver. I mean sure it's great, but they're overkill no matter what way you swing it.

Yet I still use the large screen OLED 90hz $250 android and it works just fine.

Why? I charge it once a week.

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