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Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by lazyeye »

ROTMetro wrote: post #294
lazyeye wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think it will be a "secret cabal". It will simply be a bunch of powerful people arguing that their personal interests are the national/global interest. And believing this whether its true or not. And institutions falling in line with this. You see this kind of attitude at a lower level on HN, for example, all the time. And this flaw in human nature only grows the more powerful you become.

When I was in IT, the rule was 'no essential businesses processes in Excel unless defined and approved' to ensure 1. The formulas were actually correct and 2. We could provide continuity should the person leave 3. These items were included in corporate backups not just user level ones, etc. Hardly anyone followed that process. People are going to use the easiest/best/quickest tools available to get their job done. Ad…

Whilst the connection between excel and an evil, secret world cabal is not unreasonable, I'm going to assume you accidentally replied to the wrong comment.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by zerodensity »

Laaas wrote: post #392
zerodensity wrote: post #312

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Where would you go?

Any country in the top-50 of GDP (PPP) per capita would likely work well, but I would personally likely go to Hong Kong or one of the Arabic countries.

So Europe is to authoritarian for your liking so you go to China very interesting strategy.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by k0k0r0 »

Eduard wrote: post #414
raxxorraxor wrote: post #2

The best way to deal with this is non-compliance and there need to be technical solutions to deny such attempts. One major factor that works against users is central authentication. Schemes like oauth2 might bring convenience and security in many cases, but will endanger net freedom overall. Google just added age restriction on blogger. Result is that you need to provide Google with ID information to access some cont…

> Schemes like oauth2 might bring convenience and security in many cases, but will endanger net freedom overall. Your statement makes it look like OAuth2 is inherently endangering net freedom. This isn't true. If OAuth2 was used ... - for authentication (versus authorization) only AND - AND by a select few providers (e.g. Google, Github, Facebook, Twitter) solely AND - AND NO other privacy-protecting authentication m…

Feels like where we are heading to.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by Lucasoato »

danuker wrote: post #330
kragen wrote: post #52

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> One major factor that works against users is central authentication. Schemes like oauth2 also dns and the tls ca system, even including let's encrypt

Or Cloudflare which is a MitMaaS

Sorry, can I ask you what MitMaas stands for?

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by woodruffw »

Lucasoato wrote: post #434
danuker wrote: post #330

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Or Cloudflare which is a MitMaaS

Sorry, can I ask you what MitMaas stands for?

I’m guessing they mean “man in the middle as a service,” referring to the fact that Cloudflare (by design) is a trusted party in your TLS traffic if you use them.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by woodruffw »

kragen wrote: post #72
huslage wrote: post #66

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I'm not sure I follow how let's encrypt is included on this list. They are very transparent.

let's encrypt made a huge improvement on the status quo, but now that 95% of the web depends on them, they're an obvious central point of vulnerability for censors and spy agencies

Let’s Encrypt, like other major CAs, participates in Certificate Transparency for this reason. “Central point of vulnerability” means very little without actual evidence of compromise, which CT would give us. And we haven’t seen any such evidence.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by Geee »

ethbr0 wrote: post #41
can16358p wrote: post #10

We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…

> We probably all know that they will show reasons [...], whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. I don't think this is how it works, absent an already existent police state. In democracies, it really is pushed for {good reasons}. Once built, it's then used by law enforcement, because it exists and gets the job done. Pretending there's…

"Them" is a metaphor for aligned incentives. If there are incentives for something to happen, it will happen. These incentives create a self-organizing conspiracy where the participants don't even need to communicate with each other, but they are co-operating anyway, just by acting in their own interest. It doesn't matter whether "them", the NWO or the lizard people are real or not; the end result is the same.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by alan-stark »

skrebbel wrote: post #261

Any tips for what an EU citizen can do against this, beyond upvoting this story on HN?

Perhaps write letters to members of European Parliament explaining our concerns, then ask all our friends to do the same?

To make it a low-cost effort, we could (a) prepare a list of relevant politicians (b) create a template of the letter. Then our non-technical friends need only sign and mail this. And if we put this all up as a one-pager on GitHub pages, it's suitable for sharing on social networks too ;)

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by UncleEntity »

martyvis wrote: post #256
UncleEntity wrote: post #166

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Maybe the things that get blasted on twitter are formally secret things that government agencies do that someone blew the whistle on? Which means there could be an untold number of things which they do which are currently secret. I heard once that things, sometimes shady things, exist outside of the twitterverse.

>formally or formerly?

Could be both…

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by JohnFen »

huslage wrote: post #66
kragen wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One major factor that works against users is central authentication. Schemes like oauth2 also dns and the tls ca system, even including let's encrypt

I'm not sure I follow how let's encrypt is included on this list. They are very transparent.

They are a central point of potential failure. Whether or not they're transparent doesn't enter into it.
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