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The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by jfoief »

chitowneats wrote: post #322
debacle wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's fair to point out that men commit most violent crimes. That's not good/normal/expected it's just a fact. AI could be used to better understand these associations (e.g. why is there a correlation between Asians and academic performance) and maybe help social leverage advantages more equitably.

Is there anything we could point about women? Nothing as terrible as being violent as far as I know, but what about other things? I agree with your premise but I believe it follows we must speak clearly in all cases.

Women are a protected group, so people have biases that prevent them from seeing the reality when it comes to this topic. As evolved beings made to maximize fitness, there were a lot of strategies that worked for women and shaped their psychology that noone dare point out. Also anyone coming too close to the truth will quickly get banned.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by camdenlock »

tomp wrote: post #311

> men have a bigger tendency for violent behavior than women Why is this considered good / normal / expected, but s/men/blacks/g and s/women/whites/g (or asians, or muslims/christians) and it's discriminatory? (Statistically, both statements are justified. Morally, neither is, as we should treat people as individuals, not as members of X group.)

A popular belief system insists that people be treated as members of X group before all else, and all such groups must be ranked by their oppressive power.

That ranking is effectively arbitrary, and so the system is used mainly as a bludgeon of mobs who wish to silence and abuse others.

That’s why we’re seeing the kind of warped reasoning you’re alluding to.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by jonathanlb »

edgyquant wrote: post #342
debacle wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's fair to point out that men commit most violent crimes. That's not good/normal/expected it's just a fact. AI could be used to better understand these associations (e.g. why is there a correlation between Asians and academic performance) and maybe help social leverage advantages more equitably.

Again, replace “men” with “African Americans” and you also have a statistically true statement (in America at least) that would be considered taboo.

That is a falsehood.

Per the FBI: "White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race and accounted for 59.1 percent of those arrests."

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

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Post by sterlind »

jMyles wrote: post #349
tomp wrote: post #311

> men have a bigger tendency for violent behavior than women Why is this considered good / normal / expected, but s/men/blacks/g and s/women/whites/g (or asians, or muslims/christians) and it's discriminatory? (Statistically, both statements are justified. Morally, neither is, as we should treat people as individuals, not as members of X group.)

> Why is this considered good / normal / expected, but s/men/blacks/g and s/women/whites/g ...because the former holds true across correlations (and is difficult to confound anyway, since the group 'men' and the group 'women' are distributed in like proportion through correlated groups - rich and poor, white and black, around the world, etc), while the latter is very difficult to convincingly show because controlling…

It also makes a lot more sense biologically. Testosterone and estrogen have strong mental effects, and alter brain development. The brain is sexually dimorphic in complex ways, borne out by many studies. The brain is not racially dimorphic at all.

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Post by fleddr »

This is what you get in our post-truth world that is now a performative acceptable truth world. It's basically cherry picking opinions, perceptions and half-truths that are favorable to an ideological agenda, and dismissing anything else. Where the dismissing part gets increasingly aggressive.

It doesn't have to make sense, be logical or consistent. It's not a truth struggle, it's a power struggle. It's tumblr and 4chan truth.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by elefanten »

jfoief wrote: post #336
debacle wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's fair to point out that men commit most violent crimes. That's not good/normal/expected it's just a fact. AI could be used to better understand these associations (e.g. why is there a correlation between Asians and academic performance) and maybe help social leverage advantages more equitably.

Parent's point was that it wouldn't be acceptable when done regarding some protected group (ex. blacks vs whites), so it shouldn't be acceptable when it comes to men vs women

Especially when the world never stops turning and social change / idea propagation move orders of magnitude faster than they did for most of human history.

Consider one of the (largely liberal) discourses rising in the past few years that many vital social metrics and trends indicate men/boys are screwed and women/girls are outcompeting them and thriving much better in present era.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by smashah »

jefftk wrote: post #308
smashah wrote: post #301

It also refuses to call Israel an Apartheid state whereas it can easily admit South Africa was an Apartheid state.

Is that really surprising? "Apartheid" is literally an Afrikaans word, and it's often used specifically to mean the historical South African system instead of the technical international law term.

Should it be surprising? Yes. Am I surprised? No I have a pessimistic view on Tech's relationship with Apartheid Israel. For all the flexibility of ChatGPT it would be strange for it to be so pedantic as to differentiate based on etymology.

It has been adopted as a word in a technical international law term as clearly evident from the fact that there exists an Apartheid Convention[0][1].

[0] https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html [1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

jonathanlb wrote: post #353
edgyquant wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, replace “men” with “African Americans” and you also have a statistically true statement (in America at least) that would be considered taboo.

That is a falsehood. Per the FBI: "White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race and accounted for 59.1 percent of those arrests." https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

Maybe I'm not looking at the right number[0] (there is a 59.3% lower on the page which appears to be a more specific response: "White alone, not Hispanic or Latino") but it looks like 59.1% of arrests are against 75.8% of the population. Inversely, 40.9% of arrests are against 24.2% of the population.

[0] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/RHI125221

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