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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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You cannot buy refurbished Dell systems with Windows 10 on them now. Dell support also cannot answer whether they can be downgraded to 10 from 11, even though most refurbs in their outlet originally shipped with 10.

I haven’t had a single PC with windows 11 pro on that the built in product key doesn’t work with windows 10 pro. YMMV.

That's good to know. I thought of just buying one and trying it, then returning it if it failed.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Such as?

Human traffickers, religious extremists, child molesters, fossil fuel companies, and adtech companies?

What if I told you it's possible to hate more than one thing at the same time?

What even IS this response?

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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I run Windows 98 on my WIP retro computer. I recently got into the habit of dual booting OpenBSD so I can rsync C:\WINDOWS to another partition, and rsync it back when it inevitably becomes unbootable as I test things out. This was a golden moment for me as I was no longer installing a fresh copy 3x per day. More on-topic: Windows 98 is not only nostalgic but it also represents a past time when we were more in contro…

I kind of wonder what happens if you put a Windows 3.11 complete with Trumpet WinSock on the unprotected internet these days. I wonder if it’s immune because there’s all the malware has evolved past its exploits. Watch there be some retro computing enthusiast (unintentionally?) running Back Orifice out there. Like a shadow ecosystem of archaic malware.

>Trumpet WinSock

I was not prepared for that sudden blast of feelings.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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No, they shouldn't. They can make more profit by treating customers badly, and profit and shareholder value are the only things that matter, so that's what they should do. If consumers don't like this, then they should find alternatives. Microsoft treating consumers badly is nothing new.

What the fuck are you even saying?

> What the fuck are you even saying?

They were saying the truth: as a corporation, their primary fiduciary responsiblity is to return value to their shareholders.

Definitely worth watching: https://archive.org/details/The_Corporation_

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Right, but still you have to click somewhere and type in a password IIRC. That's *way* too hard for many users. If it isn't done completely invisibly in the background, or completely forced on the user, then it just won't get done.

We lost a lot of competence along the years. Are people trying to get back into Womb state? I mean it's not just computers but everything. On the other hand we have highly competent people who are unwilling to put in "the work" if someone does a half assed job for them. Even if they know they can do better with little more effort. And then there are these ultra dedicated people who do everything to be independent fro…

No ordinary people are competent enough, even for Linux these days. The tech people tend to over-exaggerate their belief that average people can't think beyond hitting a button.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Human traffickers, religious extremists, child molesters, fossil fuel companies, and adtech companies?

What if I told you it's possible to hate more than one thing at the same time? What even IS this response?

I would suggest that those are better targets for hatred than tech companies. I am not saying that it is only possible to hate one thing at a time, nor am I saying that hatred is a healthy emotion, I am simply making some suggestions.

Of course, whether any particular group or individual is a better target of hatred than another is subjective, but I tried forwarding some groups which seem quite universally reviled.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

>Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of Try XFCE or some other low-resource UI.

Fluxbox ftw!!

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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What if I told you it's possible to hate more than one thing at the same time? What even IS this response?

I would suggest that those are better targets for hatred than tech companies. I am not saying that it is only possible to hate one thing at a time, nor am I saying that hatred is a healthy emotion, I am simply making some suggestions. Of course, whether any particular group or individual is a better target of hatred than another is subjective, but I tried forwarding some groups which seem quite universally reviled.

I'm simply making the suggestion that "Hey guys, you shouldn't hate $currenttopic, you should hate $completelyunrelated" contributes nothing to any discussion in which it's uttered. Nobody wants to hear it regardless of agreeing or not, because it's a transparent attempt to draw the conversation off-topic.

Stop it.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Part of the problem is that many “paying users” haven’t paid for a long time. Windows 11 is a free upgrade, which of course means that Microsoft is finding new and creative ways to extract a profit. I’d personally rather pay for extremely high quality OS updates, but I know from personal experience that most people don’t care enough to pay. They’d stick with the old OS until they have to buy a new computer, which cou…

If Microsoft would make a good OS again I would pay $500/yr for it. As it is, I will move to Linux before I move to 11. Apparently shoving ads at people is more profitable than providing an actually good product.

Yes, it is way more profitable. Just look at the mobile gaming market for an example of ads and scammy in-app purchases taken to the extreme.

People expect mobile games to be “free”, even though console and PC games typically cost $20-$60. Good luck finding consumers to pay even $20 for a mobile game, much less $60.

Similarly, good luck finding consumers to pay $500 an OS upgrade now that they think it should be “free”.

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