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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by di456 »

hagbarth wrote: post #47
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

In the back of my mind, I have a hope that it will lead to the collapse of the platform internet and a return to smaller trusted communities and boards.

I see it making a similar progression as ads on radio and tv, homogenized mass media, paid product placements in shows. These AI generated content platforms are perfect for ads and social media propaganda. Mass customization.

I share the same hope but have doubts that as a society we'll have the collective critical thinking skills to disconnect from the AI overlords. We've already had the US and US inspired Brazilian coup attempts fueld by social media placements and it's only going to get more fine tuned and effective.

What can I do as an individual? One path is to simplify and declutter my digital life. How else to cope?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by williamcotton »

shiredude95 wrote: post #51
TIPSIO wrote: post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

Will be interesting to see what the post-AI movement will look like. I imagine some subscription service by a company that provides "authentic human generated consumable media" which has everything you listed from songs/tv/movies/news etc created by humans. I can see the early adopters of AI will be the early adopters of this type of service as well having gotten tired of the AI golden age. Truly human made content w…

Maybe people finally adhere to the requests of those bumper stickers plastered on the side of local music venues for the last few decades... "Drum machines have no soul" "Support local music"

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by akaike »

qsort wrote: post #45
TIPSIO wrote: post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is? > Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Which is TV right now? > Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Welcome to Twitter. You filter in the same way people always have. Studying, learning, acquiring taste.

I think you missed the point that he/she means AI TV and AI Twitch, not Human TV and Human Twitch, or whatever you want to call it. The point is that the content will be 24/7 AI-generated

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by mahathu »

ncr100 wrote: post #39
markstos wrote: post #6

I moderate a forum and a user recently started answer questions with links to his blog, where he made AI-generated pages of generated answers on the topics. The posts don't offer anything novel or personal to conversation, as they only repeat the most common talking points on the topic. Ugh.

This is a very hard problem, "who is the original author of a string of facts," "is that string of facts sound or was it altered," this is like the end of truth. I know that truth is relative but it's like there's no point in using the word truth anymore. Everything is just becoming a collection of words.

Exactly how I feel. I'm especially worry about trust in historical facts. Renowned and trustworthy institutions, even as they may have their own biases, may not have such an easy time competing against tons of generated AI content..

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by dragonwriter »

mahathu wrote: post #64
qsort wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is? > Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Which is TV right now? > Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Welcome to Twitter. You filter in the same way people always have. Studying, learning, acquiring taste.

> Which is TV right now? Yeah, not much a change now, but I hope demand for real TV/film will remain. Imagine they were able to shit out entirely AI generated shows and slowly phase out real media because it's just too costly. A lot of good stuff (a lot of bad stuff too, but that's beside the point) would be thrown out with the bath water imo.

> Imagine they were able to shit out entirely AI generated shows and slowly phase out real media because it's just too costly

I mean, its easy to imagine, because its the same effect that drove the reality TV displacing scripted content trend.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by blhack »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

You could call it: "AI Kessler syndrome".

The internet becomes so full of hallucinating AI output that it becomes impossible to train the model.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by williamcotton »

throwanem wrote: post #60
williamcotton wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We still have curated libraries and the knowledge contained in those books has a much better signal-to-noise ratio than the internet ever will!

The Internet Archive is a library.

You're right, and it has a better signal to noise ratio than the internet in general, even when you factor in the Wayback Machine! Here's to curated knowledge!

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by labrador »

I made this comment on a post that got flagged for reasons I don't understand. I don't want to feel like I wasted my time so I'm re-commenting here:

I was watching "HyperNormalisation" by Adam Curtis for the second time. In his segment on Eliza, an early example of a chat bot, I realized that Curtis makes a mistake in his interpretation of Eliza. For Curtis it's narcissism that makes Eliza attractive. Curtis levels the charge that Westerners are individualistic and self-centered often.

But when an interview with the creator Joseph Weizenbaum is shown starting at 01hr:22min, he never says that. He relates how his secretary took to it, and even though she knew it was a primitive computer program, she wanted some privacy while she used it. Weizenbaum was puzzled by that, but then the secretary (or possibly another woman) says Eliza doesn't judge me and it doesn't try to have sex with me.

What jumped out at me was that Weizenbaum's secretary was using Eliza as a thinking tool to clarify her thoughts. Most high school graduates in America don't learn critical thinking skills as far as I can tell. Eliza is a useful tool because it encourages critical thinking and second order thinking by asking questions and reflecting back answers and asking questions in another way. The secretary didn't want to use Eliza because she was a narcissist, she wanted to talk through some sensitive issues with what she knew was a dumb program so she could try and resolve them.

That's how I feel about ChatGPT so far. It's a great thinking tool. Someone to bounce ideas around with. Of course, I know it's a dumb computer program and it makes mistakes, but it's still a cool new tool to have in the toolbox.

HyperNormalisation by Adam Curtis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS_c2qqA-6Y

Eliza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by danielvaughn »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

I don't have much knowledge around AI, but from what I can tell, it's dependent on inputs from across the web right? If so, then as the use of ChatGPT grows, it'll slowly get consumed back into the model. With enough iterations, it will start to veer more and more away from recognizable human speech/thought, like a recursive game of telephone.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how ML works, which very well may be true.

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