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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by ceejayoz »

brookst wrote: post #5
webjunkie wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. What is it with everyone wanting to see Chat GPT only in the light of accessing information and then complaining about it?

It makes me wonder if these people have ever talked to a real person before. Spoiler: real people can be wrong too!

Real people take longer to be wrong. The potential volume one bad actor can generate matters; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop is a dangerous enough technique when someone has to actually physically come up with the bullshit.

"Gish gallop as a service", essentially.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by barbazoo »

ceejayoz wrote: post #8
havefunbesafe wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really dont want the internet populated with meaningless garbage to give traffic to companies I dont care about. Hopefully google will create a classifier and downrank anyone who just shoots out AI generated bullshit. The process for identifying AI generated content does look fucking bonkers tho.

Google can't even successfully detect the shitty "we copied all of StackOverflow's Q&As and put ads around it" clones. I tend to doubt their ability to do something 100x as difficult.

Can't or just doesn't need to? Their business isn't search, it's ads.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by snapcaster »

Snitch-Thursday wrote: post #10

Not to be a grumpy old man, but I will say, my known original definition of Web 3.0 was the Semantic Web [1] but I have no idea if that definition came before the one in TFA about those selling javascript webpage controls marketing their latest spinner product spinning it as web 3.0 > web 2.0. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

Why do people always bring this up? Not to be rude but who gives a shit? You and some others wanted a term to mean something, everyone else disagreed and moved on. Let it go seriously

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by _fat_santa »

brookst wrote: post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

It's already pretty bad with Github/SO threads. Guys will scrape threads on GH/SO and repost them to their sites, usually with a ton of ads but the post ranks higher than the original thread so it will come up first when you google an error.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by badcppdev »

Snitch-Thursday wrote: post #10

Not to be a grumpy old man, but I will say, my known original definition of Web 3.0 was the Semantic Web [1] but I have no idea if that definition came before the one in TFA about those selling javascript webpage controls marketing their latest spinner product spinning it as web 3.0 > web 2.0. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

Web 3.0 = Semantic Net

Web 3.1 = NFT/Blockchain

Web 3.2 = AI Large Language Models spurting content into the ecosystem

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by hdbsbsisbs »

snapcaster wrote: post #13
Snitch-Thursday wrote: post #10

Not to be a grumpy old man, but I will say, my known original definition of Web 3.0 was the Semantic Web [1] but I have no idea if that definition came before the one in TFA about those selling javascript webpage controls marketing their latest spinner product spinning it as web 3.0 > web 2.0. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

Why do people always bring this up? Not to be rude but who gives a shit? You and some others wanted a term to mean something, everyone else disagreed and moved on. Let it go seriously

I suppose the point was that if every new tech is termed as web3.0 in the past decade and it still is something out there in the future, the least you can do is question it.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by SinePost »

brookst wrote: post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

Good point. I was already concerned about people's reliance on Google's zero-click answers as the deepest level of inquiry before ChatGPT hit the scene. ChatGPT feels like a multiplier of this convenience factor, being also slightly more specific and generally more consistent.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by anamexis »

barbazoo wrote: post #12
ceejayoz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google can't even successfully detect the shitty "we copied all of StackOverflow's Q&As and put ads around it" clones. I tend to doubt their ability to do something 100x as difficult.

Can't or just doesn't need to? Their business isn't search, it's ads.

If search quality degrades enough that people stop using it, it will impact ads.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by koolala »

snapcaster wrote: post #13
Snitch-Thursday wrote: post #10

Not to be a grumpy old man, but I will say, my known original definition of Web 3.0 was the Semantic Web [1] but I have no idea if that definition came before the one in TFA about those selling javascript webpage controls marketing their latest spinner product spinning it as web 3.0 > web 2.0. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

Why do people always bring this up? Not to be rude but who gives a shit? You and some others wanted a term to mean something, everyone else disagreed and moved on. Let it go seriously

Language models and crawling the web for semantic data is sort of the same thing. It's like, an argument could be made that ChatGPT is itself a Semantic-created Internet.

If AI becomes the way we consume data then Semantic patterns will only help it.

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