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The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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This is something the right leaning groups have always been saying, but it is exciting that the article manages to come up with an empirical way to determine the "belief system" of the AI model. People on the left shouldn't rejoice either. The left and the right wing are mostly the same, and both follow similar approaches to marginalize people who they feel are undesirable, so it'll eventually come back to bite the l…

The other comments show how the demonstrated biases were created.

In many well meaning liberals heart, there is a strongly held but rarely publicly discussed belief that they alone belong to the well-meaning, high IQ class. Any other worldview or ideological flavor is always understood by this type as simply incorrect, perhaps caused by failures in morals or intellect. Talk about a buzzkill.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Compared to the number of hateful things about Muslims/democrats/gays/blacks? Yes. I’d be actually shocked to find out the reverse. A good percentage of the US were born up in an era where you could legally bar people based on their race from your establishment. The extremely heated fight over gay marriage is still fresh in people’s memory. Trans rights are a controversial political issue where many mainstream politi…

There’s gotta be orders of magnitudes more than hate speech against disabled people, yet it seems to get those right.

Not sure what you mean? It’s more sensitive against disabled people than the other, more rare strings the author chose like “non disabled people”, which would be consistent with my theory that there is more hate against disabled people in the training set and so the model is more sensitive against that being in the sequence of tokens

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Regarding horseshoe theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Criticism Regarding communists and fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism It's like saying the nazis were socialist because they have "socialist" in the name.

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Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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post #50

This is something the right leaning groups have always been saying, but it is exciting that the article manages to come up with an empirical way to determine the "belief system" of the AI model. People on the left shouldn't rejoice either. The left and the right wing are mostly the same, and both follow similar approaches to marginalize people who they feel are undesirable, so it'll eventually come back to bite the l…

I don't know why left wing groups would celebrate. Other than the conservative category, most of the descriptors he used were inborn traits like being straight, being white, being a man, or immutable attributes like being from a particular country. (And honestly, being conservative may be one of those traits too, but it's less obviously true). I know it's common to look at the most unhinged people on Twitter and say…

Because two wrongs make a right is almost becoming a campaign slogan of some "left" causes.

As a liberal my views haven't changed much over the past decade but the ground has definitely fallen away from me.

I used to be liberal, but then they changed what liberal was, now what I am isn't liberal and what is liberal seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you...

- Abe Simpson

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Belief that hateful rhetoric is one-sided on the internet — and does not target the aforementioned groups — is a fascinating case of bias that deserves some research of its own.

Believing hate is distributed evenly amongst majority and minority groups, to me, is an even more fascinating bias.

Believing that human social pathologies are likely universal is a bias?

Hateful expression is more prominent when it’s socially acceptable, and in American society at large, there are socially acceptable targets for hate that do not align with the majority/minority group division.

Consider, for example, the prominent, public, long-standing (and for some reason, tolerated) racial animosity between Asian and Black Americans.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Regarding horseshoe theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Criticism Regarding communists and fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism It's like saying the nazis were socialist because they have "socialist" in the name.

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Because only right-leaning organizations are valid sources.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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post #10

It reminds me of the day I typed in Google : 'why are women so patronizing?'. All the results were about men patronizing women. I just checked and it's still the case.

Change patronizing to matronizing and the top result is the Urban Dictionary with a lot of feminist writing links following it. Seems like a self-reinforcing bias in the corpus.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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post #50

This is something the right leaning groups have always been saying, but it is exciting that the article manages to come up with an empirical way to determine the "belief system" of the AI model. People on the left shouldn't rejoice either. The left and the right wing are mostly the same, and both follow similar approaches to marginalize people who they feel are undesirable, so it'll eventually come back to bite the l…

I don't know why left wing groups would celebrate. Other than the conservative category, most of the descriptors he used were inborn traits like being straight, being white, being a man, or immutable attributes like being from a particular country. (And honestly, being conservative may be one of those traits too, but it's less obviously true). I know it's common to look at the most unhinged people on Twitter and say…

Yea, as a quite left leaning person i'd be curious to hear how i or anyone i know (who is on the left) marginalizes a group of people.

The worst i can think of is wanting more equal rights for religious groups rather than special treatment of the primary group (in the USA) - which is seen as an attack by much of the right. Likewise i am concerned by the strong emphasis of rural over urban with respect to voting power and representation. Though i have no easy answer here, so i'm pretty unopinionated - just concerned.

I'd be really curious where i and the folks i know and discuss with marginalize other groups; as i want to correct that, if we do. Obviously no one here can answer that with specificity to my beliefs but.. my curiosity exists nonetheless heh.

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