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How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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This is not the title of the article, and it should be changed. Besides, what's kph?

The given title here is much more informative than the article title of "WA outback proves no match for Aussie nuclear know-how". > Besides, what's kph? Kilometres per hour.

> The given title here is much more informative than the article title of "WA outback proves no match for Aussie nuclear know-how".

It's in violation of HN guidelines.

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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Did they close the road and/or put a checkpoint in place? That'd eliminate that risk.

The road you're talking about was 1400km long

Pretty sure it's also the only road connecting a lot of these places; this is far remote WA.

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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It's not too amazing. Perth has a few companies that do this work for a living - as a grind job, flying contracts for an actuall million line kilometres of 256 channel radiometric mapping at anything from $7 to $15 AU per line kilometre for mineral exploration. This has been ongoing for 50 years (see: Radiometric Map of Australia) and I'm slighlty baffled why a plane wasn't flown along the road on day one. Realistic…

What I don't understand is, what kind of technology is it? It is obviously great. The technical explanation is not there

Last month I have ordered this pocket scintillator/spectroscope "Radiacode-101" from a Cyprus sales company.

https://radiascan.com/products/detector-of-ionising-radiatio...

The waiting time is few months, so I hope the toy arrives eventually.

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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Cool use of gamma-ray imaging technology! The underlying technology is a coded aperture to give a random response on the detector that can be used to reconstruct the direction of the gamma-ray source. I think they are using a moving mask with a single detector in the middle. They probably didn't know if the source had broken apart and caused more contamination when they found the general area. So the imaging allows y…

Cool tech! Spent a chunk of a past life building radiation detection equipment and mapping it in various ways - it's neat to see the state of the art moving forward. Is your LAMP device using coded aperture (in that tiny form factor?) or some other technique for mapping directionality?

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to know this other story, I haven't found it by cursory search - what should I be searching for?

Pokhran-II was a series of five nuclear bomb test explosions conducted by India in May 1998, Pakistan responded with six underground nuclear tests at the Chagai and Kharan test site conducted fifteen days after India's last test. It was all abit unexpected at the time and the US was interested to know how it came to be that Australians were present.

I am sorry I am not following the connection between Pokhran-II nuclear tests and Australia. Would you mind sharing some more information or a link maybe?

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

#67
post #14

Do gamma rays bounce back on a rock or do you need line of sight to capture the source? If it is the latter they were very lucky, effectively one small stone away from never being able to find it.

When you think of things like Gamma or x-rays you cant relate them back to "light" because while there are similarities there are also a number of differences.

Gamma penetrates rocks, these sensors are used to help determine the density of rock by measuring how much was stopped by the material.

This is also why Gamma sources are so dangerous, because things like a coat, a car door are effectively "transparent" to them.

If there was just "one small stone" in front of the source it would almost be like it wasn't present at all.

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pokhran-II was a series of five nuclear bomb test explosions conducted by India in May 1998, Pakistan responded with six underground nuclear tests at the Chagai and Kharan test site conducted fifteen days after India's last test. It was all abit unexpected at the time and the US was interested to know how it came to be that Australians were present.

I am sorry I am not following the connection between Pokhran-II nuclear tests and Australia. Would you mind sharing some more information or a link maybe?

It sounds like a fascinating story indeed, but I can't find anything about it after a search.

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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Good job, but a lot of the reports really exaggerate the size of the search area. > in the formidable conditions of the outback... > It’s fair to say finding a piece of equipment the size of a button in a vast desert was no easy task Let's not go too far here. It was two metres from the road and they knew exactly which 1400km of roads to check.

And it is vastly more radioactive than background. They might have used clever technology but someone in the passenger seat with a Geiger counter on their knee would probably have found it.

Re: How to find a tiny radioactive source while doing 70 kph

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post #5

This is more of an ANSTO PR piece to promote a new piece of kit [1] based on a recent paper [2]. I'm guessing they loved the opportunity to field test this in a sea of global public interest. What they're not actually saying is that the source in question could have just as easily been found using 1990s technology in a low flying aircraft at 70m/sec ( ~250 km/hr ) - once you get the target peaks (which were bright ag…

> What they're not actually saying is that the source in question could have just as easily been found using 1990s technology in a low flying aircraft at 70m/sec Well, yes. But it turned out, to everyone's relief, that the optimistic assumption held: the capsule was in fact still lying near the side of the expected road. It could have gone another way - it could have been picked up and moved elsewhere by vehicle tyre…

There are no humans and basically no vehicles along a road like this. The chances of anything interfering with it are nil.
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