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Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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The reason is, and always has been, to enable lazy police work. They won't have to do their jobs if facebook will just tell them who the criminals are.

So, if everything is encrypted, how do you expect the police to catch ped0philes, for example?

"So if everyone has the right to privacy, how are the police supposed to do their job?"

Somehow the police managed to catch bad guys before mass surveillance existed. Maybe they should look at that?

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

#102

As a pro-EU citizen I feel more and more inclined to agree on some of the Brexit rhetoric. Commissioners have shown multiple times that they are too permeable to lobbying, too willing to water down tough environmental regulation, and too keen on 'security' surveillance. So far the EU parliament members have balanced the act with some sanity. But the power and lack of transparency of the EC both with regards to lobbyi…

UK conservatives wanted less surveillance?

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." malo ... quam ... ⇒ I prefer ... to ... Preferring what to what? This is why all other words are in accusative singular as simple enumeration: periculosam ⇒ dangerousness libertatem ⇒ freedom quietam ⇒ quietness servitutem ⇒ slavery Hence I would take his statement as: "I prefer dangerousness and freedom to quietness and slavery."

periculosam and quietam are adjectives (the comma is wrong)

Thank you for the correction.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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post #24

We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…

> We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. I agree in principle, but controlled != regulated. It's (technologically) relatively easy to create a private, censorship-resistant distributed system, but if it's illegal people just won't use it. It's a human problem, not a tech problem.

Once a decentralized system becomes sufficiently ubiquitous, banning it becomes tantamount to imposing economic sanctions on yourself. That's basically what happened with the internet. That might have just been a fluke, but it would be awesome if we could somehow manage to create more systems like that.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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post #102

As a pro-EU citizen I feel more and more inclined to agree on some of the Brexit rhetoric. Commissioners have shown multiple times that they are too permeable to lobbying, too willing to water down tough environmental regulation, and too keen on 'security' surveillance. So far the EU parliament members have balanced the act with some sanity. But the power and lack of transparency of the EC both with regards to lobbyi…

UK conservatives wanted less surveillance?

I clarified my point in a child comment you are choosing to misread.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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post #70

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All those things are enjoyable and have no legal alternative. A chat application would have.

uber cab is not especially enjoyable, and the legal alternatives (for riders) include taxis and remises (not to mention buses, trains, bicycles, private cars, private motorcycles, and electric scooters; buenos aires is pretty dense and public transport is pretty good) uber was just better the legal alternative to pirating games was to buy them, geez the legal alternative to gay sex was heterosexual sex, which many pe…

Did you forget about alcohol, nicotine, caffeine? Totally legal addictive alternatives.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law. Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU. Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is lit…

I'm pro decentralisation too. The eurosceptic parties I know are all in favour of more surveillance. Pick your poison. ;-)

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

#108
post #41

We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…

> We probably all know that they will show reasons [...], whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. I don't think this is how it works, absent an already existent police state. In democracies, it really is pushed for {good reasons}. Once built, it's then used by law enforcement, because it exists and gets the job done. Pretending there's…

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

#109

We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…

> We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. No, not really. A World with controlled controllers is better than a world without any control. See the awful space which is the crypto community ATM. EU and US so far are fair and tame (to their own citizen). They are not always good, but not bad. And that's fair enough for any decent citizen. Though, part of thi…

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uber cab is not especially enjoyable, and the legal alternatives (for riders) include taxis and remises (not to mention buses, trains, bicycles, private cars, private motorcycles, and electric scooters; buenos aires is pretty dense and public transport is pretty good) uber was just better the legal alternative to pirating games was to buy them, geez the legal alternative to gay sex was heterosexual sex, which many pe…

Did you forget about alcohol, nicotine, caffeine? Totally legal addictive alternatives.

arguably caffeine and alcohol are even less adequate as a replacement for heroin than a bicycle is as a replacement for uber cab

i mean if the objective is just 'euphoria' (as opposed to avoiding opiate withdrawal or having a 60-hour-long orgy) there are a lot of ways you can get it: hyperventilation, falling in love, roller coasters, exercise, praying, etc., and i thought about saying this, but i think that this really is a pretty weak counterargument to dtech's claim that heroin and meth have no legal alternatives; they're pretty much right about that

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