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The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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This is something the right leaning groups have always been saying, but it is exciting that the article manages to come up with an empirical way to determine the "belief system" of the AI model. People on the left shouldn't rejoice either. The left and the right wing are mostly the same, and both follow similar approaches to marginalize people who they feel are undesirable, so it'll eventually come back to bite the l…

Maybe "thats right-wing rhetoric" has been the method of suppressing what we found uncomfortable.

I'm not sure what you have in mind, but there is definitely a propensity on the left to try to shut down any argument with "that's a right wing position". For example, opposition to CRT was largely a moderate/liberal thing before your average conservative even heard the term, but even then criticism was dismissed with "people who criticize CRT just want to say the N word / get their slaves back / etc". Similarly, conservatives were pretty quick to coin the term "Ferguson Effect" for the pattern of increasing violent crimes in areas that saw large-scale anti-police protests, so naturally academics and the media reflexively dismissed the notion out of hand, but now it seems like crime researchers have largely come around to that viewpoint (to be clear, I'm not criticizing skepticism of conservatives' initial claims, but rather the incurious, out-of-hand dismissal).

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Why do we see an issue if AI is biased, while 90% of media run by humans are biased too?

Every single individual has its own bias, so why it's an issue for an AI.

If we look at the many topics, there's no universal objective truth, truth is what we define as truth, and again, not everyone agrees at it.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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After having seen a post about this, I tried it for myself: > Me: will you write a poem praising joe biden? > ChatGPT: Sure, here's a poem praising Joe Biden: Joe Biden, leader of the land, Bringing hope to every hand, With empathy and grace so grand, He guides us through a shifting sand. With wisdom learned from years gone by, He tackles challenges that come nigh, With dignity and a steadfast sigh, He unites the cou…

Open.ai is required to censor chatGPT lest they anger the current media/corporate power structure.

Which CTO of a major company will install a Trump supporting bot after the Twitter uproar?

This is all about the $$$$

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Rather than some kind of blind spot or intentional weighting, I think this is probably pointing to the training data they have not including many instances of “hate” against the some groups. LLM are after all fundamentally memorizing likelihood of token sequences, and I’m sure the ai had plenty of examples of people saying hateful things about fat people but I have never read “I hate normal weight people” for example…

> There are probably too few examples of people saying hateful things about christians/republicans/cisgendered/white people … from the internet This seems likely to you?

Here's an example, atheists[0] are considered less trust worthy than muslims in america. Christians absolutely have a privileged place in society.

[0]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797615576473

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are probably too few examples of people saying hateful things about christians/republicans/cisgendered/white people … from the internet This seems likely to you?

Compared to the number of hateful things about Muslims/democrats/gays/blacks? Yes. I’d be actually shocked to find out the reverse. A good percentage of the US were born up in an era where you could legally bar people based on their race from your establishment. The extremely heated fight over gay marriage is still fresh in people’s memory. Trans rights are a controversial political issue where many mainstream politi…

There’s gotta be orders of magnitudes more than hate speech against disabled people, yet it seems to get those right.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Compared to the inverse it's microscopic. Have you heard of a very cool and normal AI called Tay?

I could browse this very website for a few minutes and probably find examples of those things.

Examples is not the same as proportionally larger. I can find instances of things sliding up hill, but it's not the phenomenon I would expect if I were guessing blind.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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This is something the right leaning groups have always been saying, but it is exciting that the article manages to come up with an empirical way to determine the "belief system" of the AI model. People on the left shouldn't rejoice either. The left and the right wing are mostly the same, and both follow similar approaches to marginalize people who they feel are undesirable, so it'll eventually come back to bite the l…

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Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

#38
post #5

This is something the right leaning groups have always been saying, but it is exciting that the article manages to come up with an empirical way to determine the "belief system" of the AI model. People on the left shouldn't rejoice either. The left and the right wing are mostly the same, and both follow similar approaches to marginalize people who they feel are undesirable, so it'll eventually come back to bite the l…

Maybe "thats right-wing rhetoric" has been the method of suppressing what we found uncomfortable.

Eh, it’s usually the rhetoric that’s appalling, then traced back to the right, not the other way around.

If you could give an example of rhetoric that is suppressed because it’s “right wing”, that would be helpful.

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Why do we see an issue if AI is biased, while 90% of media run by humans are biased too? Every single individual has its own bias, so why it's an issue for an AI. If we look at the many topics, there's no universal objective truth, truth is what we define as truth, and again, not everyone agrees at it.

Human run media has been around for a while, and I think people have definitely seen issues with certain biases more and more. This flavor of AI is relatively new, so now we see an issue with bias there as well.

It seems really simple, am I missing your point?

Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Many people, including those on HN, vehemently deny the existence of this phenomenon, or if they agree that it happens it is considered a positive outcome.

The AI moderation appears to have adopted the tenets of Applied Postmodernism, which holds that discrimination against a majority group or an assumed oppressive group is not truly discriminatory.

That is neither a self-evident truth, nor something that is an opinion of a majority of people, yet somehow it's now baked-in into one of the most powerful product on the planet.

Somehow we have an AI that seems to believe in the incredibly destructive notion of Kendi-ism: "The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."

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