There should be a law against spamming the lawmaking process with proposals that have previously failed or are near identical to it, for a set time period. Means, you are no longer allowed to lobby for a law proposal once it has been rejected for a time period of one voting cycle.
Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#22The EU just seems like a more and more dystopian place where they placate the docile population with a few social benefits and threats to corporate interests at the cost of any sense of individual liberty and a rapidly declining set of rights and privacy from the state.
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#23This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law. Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU. Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is lit…
Be careful what you wish for. Here in the UK since leaving the government have been doing all they can to ensure mass surveilance and repression becomes more and more common, without those "pesky" EU laws stopping them.
Yeah I know, sorry to hear that but:
1. It is way easier to change the minds of the people in your home country rather than in several countries.
2. My country of birth, Sweden, has more history of rejecting stuff like that.
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#24We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…
> We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity.
I agree in principle, but controlled != regulated. It's (technologically) relatively easy to create a private, censorship-resistant distributed system, but if it's illegal people just won't use it. It's a human problem, not a tech problem.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU commissioners propose laws, they don't vote for them. The EU parliament will probably reject this. As a brit, let me tell you that leaving the EU will not solve this problem. Your local politicians will just do that anyway.
Yes, but it's easier to influence politicians in your country than in the EU. It's easier to influence politicians in your county council than in your country. It's easier to influence politicians in your town hall than in your county council.
Prior to the referendum, I met my local member of parliament to try to convince her to vote against the Investigatory Powers Bill.
She seemed nice, and did eventually (albeit briefly) lead a splinter party.
But it didn't stop the Bill becoming an Act.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#26As a pro-EU citizen I feel more and more inclined to agree on some of the Brexit rhetoric. Commissioners have shown multiple times that they are too permeable to lobbying, too willing to water down tough environmental regulation, and too keen on 'security' surveillance. So far the EU parliament members have balanced the act with some sanity. But the power and lack of transparency of the EC both with regards to lobbyi…
EU Parliament has nothing to do with this proposal.
It's proposed by the EU Commission, and such things have been struck down by the Parliament before.
Also: Britain hardly has any leg to stand on regarding privacy (which is something the EU usually has a focus on[0]).
Did you forget the Snoopers Charter[1]? That isn't a proposal. That's law.
[0]: https://gdpr.eu
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016
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#27Just to play the advocate's advocate here:
When the internet became so safe? They push, we push back. They block, we circumvent. That was always about that. We old hackers are used to that. Nothing will work out of the box, and it will be fine. Just embrace and adapt it.
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#28Only the US should be allowed to spy on the EU, no the EU themselves :)
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be careful what you wish for. Here in the UK since leaving the government have been doing all they can to ensure mass surveilance and repression becomes more and more common, without those "pesky" EU laws stopping them.
Yeah I know, sorry to hear that but: 1. It is way easier to change the minds of the people in your home country rather than in several countries. 2. My country of birth, Sweden, has more history of rejecting stuff like that.
Can your country of birth lobby in the EU to stop laws like this?
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#30We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity. Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it. Anyone who is really…
> Anyone who is really into something illegal will use something alternative anyway.
I'm not for more surveillance, but this is the exact argument that people give against gun control