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How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

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Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

#81
What about complex human gestures? I've read some articles last year on google soli being used to control home appliances [1]. The tech is there (+cheap ?), the potential is rich, and it does requite neither yelling nor screens (it could be intrusive tough)

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/google-soli-atap-research-2022/

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

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It appears we're doing "smart home" again, so its time for my regular plea to stop calling shitty light switches automation. Automation is when you don't have to think about what state devices are in, and while it takes some tinkering can be achieved using something like Home Assistant to bridge various different devices together. Each room in my house has Hue bulbs in all the light sockets, and sensors which can det…

I have a very similar set up -- also using Home Assistant (and Node Red -- I don't like programming in YAML). I have Hue bulbs and motion detectors everywhere. (I much prefer the quality of the light and the ability to control that light based on time of day or whatever, rather than smart switches and dumb bulbs.) I have a small number buttons around the house that I can click, double-click, press-and-hold, for overriding default behaviour. My "good night" routine does something similar to yours, but waits for movement to stop outside of the bedroom for longer than 10 minutes before shutting off all of the lights. I even have some routines for things like meditation -- the lights in the room dim, three gongs ring to start, a gong once in a while, until three gongs at the end of the duration you've asked for.

It's all great. My wife and I almost never have to pick up my phone (app) or whatever and things just happen the way we want, just by walking around the house and going through our normal activities.

Until... We're about to get a guest for a few months. Now, suddenly, everyone in the house won't be going to bed at the same time, or coming and going at the same time... I've had to make sure at least one room is "dumb" and I'll need to add a button or two. I'd heard of big "guest mode" switches, and now I'm going to need to develop one.

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

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The best controller for lighting by far is the light switch. "Smart lightbulbs" behind dumb switches might seem like an easy solution, but it makes everything dumber (If you have a light switch you must not switch off because then you can't turn the "smart" light on, then you have a dumber house not a smarter one). Smart switches which fall back to regular switches if they malfunction is fantastic. Add some scenarios…

I personally like the Shelly switches. They're just WiFi relays, so you can control them remotely, but also use a normal wall switch to control them.

I like Shelly devices a lot.

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

#84

The best controller for lighting by far is the light switch. "Smart lightbulbs" behind dumb switches might seem like an easy solution, but it makes everything dumber (If you have a light switch you must not switch off because then you can't turn the "smart" light on, then you have a dumber house not a smarter one). Smart switches which fall back to regular switches if they malfunction is fantastic. Add some scenarios…

I would love to use smart switches, but the house does not have a 3rd return neutral because of age.

I know There are some that might work on a small current (so they ‘on’ all the time) but most do not.

Just one thing to look out with in switch v bulbs debates.

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

#85

It appears we're doing "smart home" again, so its time for my regular plea to stop calling shitty light switches automation. Automation is when you don't have to think about what state devices are in, and while it takes some tinkering can be achieved using something like Home Assistant to bridge various different devices together. Each room in my house has Hue bulbs in all the light sockets, and sensors which can det…

Are you getting anything out of the Hue dependency other than the color?

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

#86

The best controller for lighting by far is the light switch. "Smart lightbulbs" behind dumb switches might seem like an easy solution, but it makes everything dumber (If you have a light switch you must not switch off because then you can't turn the "smart" light on, then you have a dumber house not a smarter one). Smart switches which fall back to regular switches if they malfunction is fantastic. Add some scenarios…

I would love to use smart switches, but the house does not have a 3rd return neutral because of age. I know There are some that might work on a small current (so they ‘on’ all the time) but most do not. Just one thing to look out with in switch v bulbs debates.

Yeah Lutron Caseta dimmers can connect a hub while not needing a neutral. They also can be linked to wireless remotes without need internet access. It is a good balance of smart switches and functionality without smart features.

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

#87
I get the privacy concerns and I'm glad to see these alternatives, but why does this article act like voice is a bad way to control a smart home? It's incredibly intuitive and extremely powerful to be able to adjust anything from anywhere with your hands full. In fact, it's one of the only applications where voice control is obviously an improvement.

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

#88

Why voice? It is such a bad interface. I have a Shelly I4 with 4 (physical) buttons that trigger different automations in home assistant on my server, e.g. "Switch off everything" -> HASS -> Connects via Ethernet/Wifi to 6 Shelly Plug S in the room and switches those off. The Shelly Plug S use 0.5 Watt and I have Wifi anyway, so why another device or transmission standard?

I think voice is a fine interface for a lot of smart home things. If I'm watching TV and want the lights on/off, I don't want: * To have to reach for my phone * To have a tablet mounted within reach (that's more clutter) * To have to get up to the light switch/nearest controller. This sounds lazy but that is literally the point of all this stuff - to make things convenient. Likewise, if I'm in the kitchen and want to…

It is convenient. I ultimately turned it off because the kids found it very convenient, too. Not to control their own lights, mind you.

I had to turn off Echo integration altogether for the same reason. Took them 2 minutes to figure out they could command Alexa to turn off the lights in someone else's room. Even though Alexa recognizes them as different people and has the room lights assigned to their respective room.

I wonder if Amazon has fixed that yet. Haven't tried in a couple years.

Re: How to control your smart home without yelling at a dumb voice assistant

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Homebridge plus Apple Home in my opinion is much better than home assistant. If you’re android based or have really complicated automations I could see why home assistant would be better. Home assistant’s lack of compatibility with quite a few brands made me run Homebridge and home assistant together which defeats the purpose of HA.

100% local control rules out any android or especially apple devices

One of the requirements for HomeKit branding is that you work without internet connectivity.
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