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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by 3np »

nwah1 wrote: post #2

They can't trick me. I know what works. I'm sticking with Windows 98.

Get with the times. Windows 2000 Professional is the ticket. Even 2003 Server and 2008 server (IIRC) could practically be run as bloatless versions of their corresponding desktop versions, with way less fiddling.

If I really had to be running a Windows desktop today the first thing I'd do is look if there's a viable server edition. Wikipedia tells me that Server 2022 will be supported until 2031.

Not that I foresee having to do that anytime soon but would still be curious to hear if people are still doing this and if it's still the way to go.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

brokencode wrote: post #41
btax wrote: post #19

Why don't they finish actually implementing W11, give it a consistent UI standard and stop investing all their energy in trying to monitor and monetize their already paying users? Maybe then, people will upgrade.

Part of the problem is that many “paying users” haven’t paid for a long time. Windows 11 is a free upgrade, which of course means that Microsoft is finding new and creative ways to extract a profit. I’d personally rather pay for extremely high quality OS updates, but I know from personal experience that most people don’t care enough to pay. They’d stick with the old OS until they have to buy a new computer, which cou…

If Microsoft would make a good OS again I would pay $500/yr for it. As it is, I will move to Linux before I move to 11.

Apparently shoving ads at people is more profitable than providing an actually good product.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by TwoNineFive »

garganzol wrote: post #13

So does the publisher of the article (neowin.net) with its cookie popup.

Neowin is just reposting a report from Ghacks

https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/01/windows-10-now-unlocked-wi...

And Ghacks got their info from a reddit post

Link should have been updated with original source.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by tonfreed »

noahtallen wrote: post #62
proc0 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

The main problem is Mac's windows management. I'm having good success with the new stage manager feature along with "reduced motion" enabled, and some hotkeys to activate apps. This gives me near-instant transitions, which I really love about many Linux window managers. (Like Sway.) This with M1 is the smoothest UX I've ever had, even compared to my powerful Windows computer. While Linux and SwayWM did feel a bit mor…

My work M1 Mac is buttery smooth. Shame about the mess they've made of Window management and focus stealing crap.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by tonfreed »

aaomidi wrote: post #94
proc0 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

> Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product I feel like this is being over-used at this point. Modern gnome works fine.

What if I don't want modern UIs and want to go back the old days of spinning skull gifs and flames?

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by soupfordummies »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #126
wkat4242 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do the same with Edge, I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one. At the same time they're also making it user hostile with all the suggested offer crap so I'm sure it won't get much marketshare. Normally the idea is to wait with this hostile monetisation until you have the marketshare lol. I have to use it at work though because MS lobbied heavily to ma…

>I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one. Microsoft controls the default homepage of Edge. The homepage which most certainly receives millions of daily views owing to how few people change defaults.

It’s also a huge PITA to change as far as browser homepages go!

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by fxtentacle »

proc0 wrote: post #49
mkasberg wrote: post #12

Crap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

It's amazing to me how many glaringly obvious issues Windows 10 still has. Recently I had to leave the comfort of my PopOS! desktop and use a brand-new Windows 10 gaming laptop.

Windows + "putty" would regularly lose keystrokes at the beginning of the word. And for whatever reason, typing "putty" would not select "putty" as the top choice, but "puttygen".

And then I wrote a text in Notepad where I had to paste in some information. Ctrl+V and started typing. Boy was I surprised that the paste command was delayed and pasted halfway into the next word.

Like WTF Microsoft? You have 4 CPU cores boosting to 4+ GHz and you can't keep up with my typing speed in the core UI of your OS? Is this thing dedicated entirely to vision-impaired retirees?

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by number6 »

tonfreed wrote: post #135
aaomidi wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product I feel like this is being over-used at this point. Modern gnome works fine.

What if I don't want modern UIs and want to go back the old days of spinning skull gifs and flames?

Try NSCDE https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by number6 »

midoridensha wrote: post #121
wkat4242 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not on Ubuntu, it prompts you when updates are available.

Right, but still you have to click somewhere and type in a password IIRC. That's *way* too hard for many users. If it isn't done completely invisibly in the background, or completely forced on the user, then it just won't get done.

We lost a lot of competence along the years. Are people trying to get back into Womb state? I mean it's not just computers but everything. On the other hand we have highly competent people who are unwilling to put in "the work" if someone does a half assed job for them. Even if they know they can do better with little more effort.

And then there are these ultra dedicated people who do everything to be independent from others to the point of social isolation.

What is happening?!

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by Arainach »

tokai wrote: post #69
wrldos wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I've tried Linux on the desktop over and over and over again from about 1997 and there's just problems with it all over the place. I have used it on the server for the same period. The desktop environment for a start has been incredibly volatile, the kernel maturity is just not there and honestly most of the commercial apps out there which are Windows or macOS only aren't available on Linux. Also sometime…

Not being snarky, but when did you last try linux? Your points about volatile DEs and kernel maturity seems almost 10 years out of date.

They're as true today as ever. On a modern desktop, using GNOME, everything still randomly breaks.

Randomly (maybe when Gnome is upgraded) most of my plugins break and leave everything in a bad state.

There was the time when ArcMenu broke and left me with no launcher or way to get to anything short of finding my way to a terminal and blowing away my config.

There's the fact that my Logitech MX Ergo is unusably laggy unless I configure a text file: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth_mouse#Mouse_lag

There was the time that Dash to Panel was retired and replaced with the same code but in a new location.

There's the fact that most usable window managers don't support enough zones to snap windows or keyboard shortcuts to do so, and that if you mention this everyone will tell you to use a tiling window manager and act like you're "not a real engineer" for using anything else.

There's the fact that all Linux window managers forget that multiple monitors exist. WMs with launchers will have launchers only on one monitor. Using i3 on multiple monitors is endless pain.

There's the fact that there are a million Linux package managers, they're all feuding with each other, and software developers who care about users more than political infighting have largely given up. Updating Discord on Linux is a nightmare; if I don't use my Linux laptop for a month or two even Google Chrome will be stuck in a state where I have to manually download and reinstall a new package.

I started using Linux in 1997 with Red Hat 5.2. I've used it throughout my career, and 26 years later it's still not ready for every day desktop/laptop use.

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