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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by midoridensha »

wkat4242 wrote: post #114
midoridensha wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. With Linux, the user has to actually click on the update icon, click a button to start the updates, then type in their password. For most users, that's just *way* too hard to do, so it never gets done. With Windows, it'll force updates on you at some point, so Grandma will be updated whether she wants to or not, even if she's in the middle of something. Users like that *need* this.

Not on Ubuntu, it prompts you when updates are available.

Right, but still you have to click somewhere and type in a password IIRC.

That's *way* too hard for many users. If it isn't done completely invisibly in the background, or completely forced on the user, then it just won't get done.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by fortyseven »

epolanski wrote: post #24
goldfeld wrote: post #10

Yes! Yes we can, we have fabulous Windows Subsystem for Linux and we hang out with the OpenAI chaps. I'll rant. MS can go to the ninth hell with Zuck and Larry Page et al for all I care, the only part I cannot swallow is Bill Gates now wants to play the good old man. Everything MS does today is exactly as he would always have done it. I'm sorry bill but the precedent immoral fools like you and jobs set is worth more…

With all due respect, that kind of anger you have seems severely misdirected. There's better targets for it than technology companies and their former CEOs.

Oh honey, there's plenty of hate to go around. No need to prioritize.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by fortyseven »

midoridensha wrote: post #120
yuuta wrote: post #90

I'm always using the Enterprise edition. No such crap. Microsoft should treat consumers better.

No, they shouldn't. They can make more profit by treating customers badly, and profit and shareholder value are the only things that matter, so that's what they should do. If consumers don't like this, then they should find alternatives. Microsoft treating consumers badly is nothing new.

What the fuck are you even saying?

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by Dalewyn »

fortyseven wrote: post #124
midoridensha wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they shouldn't. They can make more profit by treating customers badly, and profit and shareholder value are the only things that matter, so that's what they should do. If consumers don't like this, then they should find alternatives. Microsoft treating consumers badly is nothing new.

What the fuck are you even saying?

Probably prompted an overgrown Word macro to spit out some words.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

wkat4242 wrote: post #115
htag wrote: post #35

1. An operating system should only display something on the screen if it is in service of the user. This is in service to Microsoft, and a full screen display. 2. The two 'yes' buttons shows Microsoft is really shaky on the concept of consent. Why is Microsoft pushing Windows 11 so strongly? Is there an economic advantage for them to have a user on W11 instead of W10? I haven't owned or dailyed a Windows computer sin…

They do the same with Edge, I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one. At the same time they're also making it user hostile with all the suggested offer crap so I'm sure it won't get much marketshare. Normally the idea is to wait with this hostile monetisation until you have the marketshare lol. I have to use it at work though because MS lobbied heavily to ma…

>I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one.

Microsoft controls the default homepage of Edge. The homepage which most certainly receives millions of daily views owing to how few people change defaults.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #6

I mean, there is an option to stay on Windows 10 but man... Microsoft, really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that move. Though with only 18% of Windows users on Windows 11, and Windows 10 going EOL in 2 years supposedly... maybe they are that desperate. Having to extend Windows 10's service life would be humiliating.

Ehh I am pretty sure that every "last, final, pinky promise" deadline for Windows end of support has been extended multiple times. I believe Win7 support was finally scheduled to end 2023-January (as in today).

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by kyriakos »

tpmx wrote: post #89
stjohnswarts wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what was a shit show? I only have one windows machine with 10 on it and it's not compatible with windows 11, but I'll probably have to replace it as it's about 8 years old (but with relatively new drive and maxed out memory)

UX and general performance. - In general, most things are implemented with even worse design and UX/UI taste than before. Example: Drop-down/context menus have these dead zones between every row, a few pixels tall, for no particular reason where no row is highlighted. That particular thing was driving me up the wall. It just makes no sense. - So much weird jank in basic Win32 components.

Performance is way better for me on 11 than 10. Even on an unsupported cpu.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by HomeDeLaPot »

I booted Windows the other day and was greeted with an unskippable screen advertising a bunch of stuff I don't need like an Office 365 subscription, OneDrive, connecting my phone, switching my default browser to Edge...

The only way to get past it is to hit Continue and click through like six ads one by one, finding the hidden skip button on each ad. All this under the guise of "let us help you get more out of Windows!" as if they were not forcing me to run a gauntlet of ads before being able to use my computer. Talk about dark patterns. This is not even the first time it's happened on this machine.

I already use a Mac for work, so maybe it really is time to let go of my Windows-only PC games, install Linux, and escape Microsoft's orbit.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

aaomidi wrote: post #94
proc0 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

> Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product I feel like this is being over-used at this point. Modern gnome works fine.

GNOME is garbage made by people who really really wish they were working on tablet UIs but weren't good enough to work for Apple or Google. They repeatedly show disdain for the user base and their product is nigh unusable without extensions they provide no guarantee will continue working version to version.
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