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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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I think they probably wanted the big yearly announcement posts that Android, iOS and macOS get. You don't get people whinging about having to update any other OS, which is funny because Windows tends to break stuff the least out of any of them. Perhaps if MS started releasing a numbered windows every year people would be less resistant to installing it.

> You don't get people whinging about having to update any other OS I think you just missed them. iOS gets constant issues - at least they stopped breaking the alarm clock. Each MacOS is a "what will I have to debug for a day this time" experience. Linux depends on a distribution, but Ubuntu at least is trying hard to join the release-breaking group. The only one I personally never complained about is Android. (I'm s…

There have been stats posted showing almost all iOS users run the latest version at any moment, so there clearly isn't the same kind of fear of updating that Windows users have had.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Crap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

>Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of

Try XFCE or some other low-resource UI.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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post #101

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Why it's out of date? Ubuntu prompts/install updates in the same ways as Windows.

Don’t know. Presumably the Ubuntu prompts were not as aggressive as the MS ones so the person just closed the window. While my grandma will just end up on Windows 11 without even knowing how which is exactly the “just works, can’t mess it up” setup these types of users need.

Exactly. With Linux, the user has to actually click on the update icon, click a button to start the updates, then type in their password.

For most users, that's just *way* too hard to do, so it never gets done.

With Windows, it'll force updates on you at some point, so Grandma will be updated whether she wants to or not, even if she's in the middle of something. Users like that *need* this.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

#114

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Don’t know. Presumably the Ubuntu prompts were not as aggressive as the MS ones so the person just closed the window. While my grandma will just end up on Windows 11 without even knowing how which is exactly the “just works, can’t mess it up” setup these types of users need.

Exactly. With Linux, the user has to actually click on the update icon, click a button to start the updates, then type in their password. For most users, that's just *way* too hard to do, so it never gets done. With Windows, it'll force updates on you at some point, so Grandma will be updated whether she wants to or not, even if she's in the middle of something. Users like that *need* this.

Not on Ubuntu, it prompts you when updates are available.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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1. An operating system should only display something on the screen if it is in service of the user. This is in service to Microsoft, and a full screen display. 2. The two 'yes' buttons shows Microsoft is really shaky on the concept of consent. Why is Microsoft pushing Windows 11 so strongly? Is there an economic advantage for them to have a user on W11 instead of W10? I haven't owned or dailyed a Windows computer sin…

They do the same with Edge, I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one.

At the same time they're also making it user hostile with all the suggested offer crap so I'm sure it won't get much marketshare. Normally the idea is to wait with this hostile monetisation until you have the marketshare lol.

I have to use it at work though because MS lobbied heavily to make it the standard browser there

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

#116
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing to me that Mac and Windows don't really feel (from UX standpoint) that much faster or smoother than 10 years ago despite hardware being much more powerful. Computers get faster but software keeps operating on the "edge" by adding more complexity. Linux is nice, but it would be nicer to have a UX focused product that keeps it simple and takes advantage of fast hardware instead of seeing it as an opportuni…

They don’t feel faster than a decade ago and they feel significantly slower than two decades ago. There has to be some “law” name for how software expands to consume any increased resources.

You're correct, there is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

#117

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Don’t know. Presumably the Ubuntu prompts were not as aggressive as the MS ones so the person just closed the window. While my grandma will just end up on Windows 11 without even knowing how which is exactly the “just works, can’t mess it up” setup these types of users need.

Exactly. With Linux, the user has to actually click on the update icon, click a button to start the updates, then type in their password. For most users, that's just *way* too hard to do, so it never gets done. With Windows, it'll force updates on you at some point, so Grandma will be updated whether she wants to or not, even if she's in the middle of something. Users like that *need* this.

And these days MS and Apple are pretty good at making the process pretty transparent. I don't remember ever updating my Apple Watch, it's just up to date. Presumably updated over night, Windows is mostly the same.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

#118

I waited for a long time to upgrade to win11 due to issues. A start menu and task bar replacement fixed my biggest issue. WSL2 is awesome compared to WSL1. I dont care for the animations are either on/off, because I hate the zoom out animation when turning on my 2nd monitor. Other than that, stuff works now and seems to work rather nicely. Also, font rendering is nicer.

I really preferred WSL1 because it was lower overhead and more integrated. It was really like managing Windows through gnu tools. WSL2 is just a VM and I don't care about kernel compatibility.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

#119

I mean, there is an option to stay on Windows 10 but man... Microsoft, really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that move. Though with only 18% of Windows users on Windows 11, and Windows 10 going EOL in 2 years supposedly... maybe they are that desperate. Having to extend Windows 10's service life would be humiliating.

I was really hoping they would stick to their "window 10 is the last windows" rolling release idea. They could've avoided this whole thing this way. (It could be still bad for the users though...)

Microsoft never sticks to any idea. Every 3-4 years everything must get rebranded, redesigned, etc.. They just don't know what they want.

Think of the office communicator, lync, Skype for business crap. Nothing changed just branding crap. The SfB binary was called Lync till the end.

Or Yammer to Viva, O365 to M365. Intune to MEM. They just love forcing busywork on us admins.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

#120
post #90

I'm always using the Enterprise edition. No such crap. Microsoft should treat consumers better.

No, they shouldn't. They can make more profit by treating customers badly, and profit and shareholder value are the only things that matter, so that's what they should do.

If consumers don't like this, then they should find alternatives. Microsoft treating consumers badly is nothing new.

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