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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by betaby »

Gigachad wrote: post #70
mkasberg wrote: post #12

Crap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.

I don't suggest Linux to anyone who can't set it up themselves now. Every time I set someone up with Ubuntu or something, they don't realize you have to manually update it so everything is 4 years out of date and the upgrade process doesn't even work anymore so you have to do a full install again. Windows is built for the average person who just needs their computer to manage itself. The average Windows or macOS user…

Why it's out of date? Ubuntu prompts/install updates in the same ways as Windows.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by piperswe »

yamtaddle wrote: post #7
nwah1 wrote: post #2

They can't trick me. I know what works. I'm sticking with Windows 98.

Everything since 7's been a downgrade. And really, if they'd just patched a very small set of 7 features into XP (mostly driver management improvements), I'd prefer that.

I think an XP userland (hardened and with security updates) on the modern NT kernel would be a quite enjoyable experience

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by piperswe »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #54
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't make the mistake of thinking, oh, if I don't have Windows 11 Pro, I don't have BitLocker. Windows has been rolling out, on some processors and configurations, a feature called "Device Encryption." Which is basically BitLocker except it is on by default, included in Windows 11 Home, and escrows a copy of your key to your Microsoft Account (which makes the MSA requirement for "more security" make a little mor…

So if a users motherboard dies, are they able to recover the data stored on disk?

Yes, they're able to use the copy of the key that was escrowed to their Microsoft account.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by livueta »

jonathankoren wrote: post #85
smoldesu wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In response to what? All three operating systems here have things they are uniquely capable of, and uniquely incapable of. The stones are all in glass houses, I dare someone to throw the first one.

This is a really weak retort. Only with linux is buying hardware a minefield where it's common to blame the purchaser for "not doing the research" or knowing what chipset(!) is in some piece of consumer hardware. Meanwhile, this problem simply doesn't exist on the two main desktop competitors. It's been this way for 30 years. And yes, this counts for "fully supported" hardware.

Is the whole suspend/hibernate ("Modern Standby") clusterfuck not real enough of an issue for you? Seems like that fits pretty well into the category of problem you're describing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28639952

Let's see: in the last couple of years, my Linux laptops have made me... spend a few minutes googling for how to get systemd to leave dhcp-provided dns servers alone, and one time where I couldn't get a serial driver to install cleanly. Meanwhile, my (work) Windows laptops have tried to burn down my house.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by [deleted] »

Gigachad wrote: post #86
viraptor wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was really hoping they would stick to their "window 10 is the last windows" rolling release idea. They could've avoided this whole thing this way. (It could be still bad for the users though...)

I think they probably wanted the big yearly announcement posts that Android, iOS and macOS get. You don't get people whinging about having to update any other OS, which is funny because Windows tends to break stuff the least out of any of them. Perhaps if MS started releasing a numbered windows every year people would be less resistant to installing it.

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Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by lostmsu »

riskable wrote: post #76
lostmsu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does not provide any mechanisms for ensuring function-level consistency while the hot patches are applied E.g. a shotgun pointed at your feet

To be fair, the comparison is against the way Windows updates itself which is like Russian roulette.

You are talking about unbootable system (extremely rare) or missing drivers. But what I quoted potentially means data corruption.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by Gigachad »

betaby wrote: post #101
Gigachad wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't suggest Linux to anyone who can't set it up themselves now. Every time I set someone up with Ubuntu or something, they don't realize you have to manually update it so everything is 4 years out of date and the upgrade process doesn't even work anymore so you have to do a full install again. Windows is built for the average person who just needs their computer to manage itself. The average Windows or macOS user…

Why it's out of date? Ubuntu prompts/install updates in the same ways as Windows.

Don’t know. Presumably the Ubuntu prompts were not as aggressive as the MS ones so the person just closed the window. While my grandma will just end up on Windows 11 without even knowing how which is exactly the “just works, can’t mess it up” setup these types of users need.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by tmtvl »

htag wrote: post #35

1. An operating system should only display something on the screen if it is in service of the user. This is in service to Microsoft, and a full screen display. 2. The two 'yes' buttons shows Microsoft is really shaky on the concept of consent. Why is Microsoft pushing Windows 11 so strongly? Is there an economic advantage for them to have a user on W11 instead of W10? I haven't owned or dailyed a Windows computer sin…

They make (made?) stores pay a license fee for each machine sold, and Windows 11 won't run as well on older hardware therefore prompting people to buy new machines.

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by tmtvl »

xg15 wrote: post #51
epolanski wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect, that kind of anger you have seems severely misdirected. There's better targets for it than technology companies and their former CEOs.

Such as?

Human traffickers, religious extremists, child molesters, fossil fuel companies, and adtech companies?

Re: Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons

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Post by viraptor »

Gigachad wrote: post #86
viraptor wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was really hoping they would stick to their "window 10 is the last windows" rolling release idea. They could've avoided this whole thing this way. (It could be still bad for the users though...)

I think they probably wanted the big yearly announcement posts that Android, iOS and macOS get. You don't get people whinging about having to update any other OS, which is funny because Windows tends to break stuff the least out of any of them. Perhaps if MS started releasing a numbered windows every year people would be less resistant to installing it.

> You don't get people whinging about having to update any other OS

I think you just missed them. iOS gets constant issues - at least they stopped breaking the alarm clock. Each MacOS is a "what will I have to debug for a day this time" experience. Linux depends on a distribution, but Ubuntu at least is trying hard to join the release-breaking group.

The only one I personally never complained about is Android. (I'm sure others have...)

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