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Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#41

Post by ijustcantevenw »

> How do you work with people without being an asshole to ensure they also play fair?

Too late.

> * recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs)

You should expect a lawsuit for this. If you give me his contact, I know a few good lawyers.

Really, who cares? If they're getting their job done, who are you to tell another man what he can do with his body?

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#42

Post by ijustcantevenw »

mirekrusin wrote: post #35
mesozoic wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah kind of scummy to get them fired elsewhere too. CEOs and board members do this all the time but god forbid middle class try to get ahead by working hard.

The difference is in hiding the fact and being transparent/disclosing it. Are you seriously saying you think it's fine to not disclose one or more other full time jobs you're doing at the same time while working remotely as developer?

When I'm not working, sometimes I busk on the street corner. Should I disclose that?

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#43

Post by ijustcantevenw »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #27
stumblindrunk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Because I like US working hours and working remotely and live in Europe.

I do the same. It's infinitely more difficult to find work, which is why I always try to be 150% employed. It's not about stealing secrets, or focus, or whatever, it's because it is foolish to put all of one's eggs in one basket, especially when it can take up to 6 months to find a good remote job from this timezone.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#44

Post by dalmo3 »

dangwhy wrote: post #5

yeah we had people join with different person interviewing for them. We now have a policy to take a screenshot of person's face during interview and compare them to person who joins. We've busted a bunch but a whole lot have slipped through the cracks.

> busted a bunch but a whole lot

Would you mind sharing rough figures and %s? Just curious on what sort of scale and environment would attract/hire a bunch of impostors.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#45

Post by simplotek »

ijustcantevenw wrote: post #41

> How do you work with people without being an asshole to ensure they also play fair? Too late. > * recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) You should expect a lawsuit for this. If you give me his contact, I know a few good lawyers. Rea…

> Really, who cares?

Apparently, both companies cared. Cared deeply. Hence the coordinated firing.

> If they're getting their job done, who are you to tell another man what he can do with his body?

Quite literally, employment contracts stipulate Basic requirements such as working hours and availability.

If an employee says he's pulling 40h/week but he's actually pulling around 20h/week, if that, then the question of fraud is up.

If this was supposed to be a non-issue, why go through so much trouble to hide it?

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#46

Post by chad_strategic »

ijustcantevenw wrote: post #41

> How do you work with people without being an asshole to ensure they also play fair? Too late. > * recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) You should expect a lawsuit for this. If you give me his contact, I know a few good lawyers. Rea…

agreed. You have no right to coordinate with the other employer. Just plain cowardly.

I spent 20 years having 2 jobs. Obviously, full disclosed to the employer. I was in the Marine reserves. Employers don't like sharing, even if it's for the good of the country.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#47

Post by ijustcantevenw »

simplotek wrote: post #45
ijustcantevenw wrote: post #41

> How do you work with people without being an asshole to ensure they also play fair? Too late. > * recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) You should expect a lawsuit for this. If you give me his contact, I know a few good lawyers. Rea…

> Really, who cares? Apparently, both companies cared. Cared deeply. Hence the coordinated firing. > If they're getting their job done, who are you to tell another man what he can do with his body? Quite literally, employment contracts stipulate Basic requirements such as working hours and availability. If an employee says he's pulling 40h/week but he's actually pulling around 20h/week, if that, then the question of…

> Apparently, both companies cared. Cared deeply. Hence the coordinated firing.

Seems like collusion, wage suppression, interference with business and interference with employment. I hope this guy sues the crap out of OP's company.

> If an employee says he's pulling 40h/week but he's actually pulling around 20h/week, if that, then the question of fraud is up.

If an employee is getting 40 hours of work done per week, then I don't see the problem.

> If this was supposed to be a non-issue, why go through so much trouble to hide it?

Because it's none of their business.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#48

Post by simplotek »

tbarone wrote: post #3

Very aggressive screening at the outset, with all the submissions in an easy to read list. At my last job, we would ignore every single submission that didn't have a cover letter. If the cover letter has even the slightest red flag; for example if it doesn't mention anything specific about the company, then onto the next one. The next step would be an equally aggressive phone screen. It's ruthless and you might miss…

> At my last job, we would ignore every single submission that didn't have a cover letter.

It's funny because I automatically drop a job prospect if they mention cover letter. If they request it right in the job ad and the job description is interesting, I send my updated CV and my contacts, but leave out anything resembling a cover letter.

If you care about getting to know me, set up a meeting. I already sent you a doc with what I did and where I did it. I'm not going to waste significant amounts of time on a document that I'm not even sure anyone will read. If your rationale is that it saves up your time, well it wastes mine, and mine is more valuable.

And finally, anyone can write anything about anything in a cover letter. It boggles the mind why anyone would think this sort of document has a critical role in figuring out anyone is a decent hire.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#49

Post by xormapmap »

brianwawok wrote: post #32
mr337 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same thing. Unless you know the situation of the employee, working to get them fired from both jobs can seriously put them in a bad financial position + loss of benefits, especially medical benefits. If they aren't happy with that just terminate employment. To go after them to get terminated from both jobs is just being an asshole. > We applaud low income service workers who bust their butts workin…

I mean, good. My employment contract has right on there that all outside employment will be disclosed. And because I pay salary, I am expecting that all of your efforts will go towards my job. Try to lie and hold two jobs? I will 100% fire you, and get the other place to fire you. In fact I have done this once myself as well.

> And because I pay salary, I am expecting that all of your efforts will go towards my job.

Why? Most (even salaried) full-time contracts require something like 38-40 hours per week. So long as what your staff are doing outside of those hours is not representing the company in a bad light, it should not be your concern. Trying to control what your staff do in their own time is toxic.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

#50

Post by simplotek »

ijustcantevenw wrote: post #42
mirekrusin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is in hiding the fact and being transparent/disclosing it. Are you seriously saying you think it's fine to not disclose one or more other full time jobs you're doing at the same time while working remotely as developer?

When I'm not working, sometimes I busk on the street corner. Should I disclose that?

If you expect to busk on the street corner during company time, what do you think?
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