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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by yamazakiwi »

Dig1t wrote: post #417
BobbyJo wrote: post #355

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Would you have a high likelihood of experiencing physical violence or death for being religious where you live? If not, then this is pointlessly hyperbolic.

Agree with the sibling you would have a much higher chance of being discriminated against. Particularly in an interview. If you were wearing a cross necklace or some other visible indicator of your membership in Christianity, you would be way more likely to be turned down for a job in the Bay Area. Same as you would have been discriminated against for being trans, gay, or black 30 years ago.

Let's play a short game of answer this question!

What's worse? Not getting a job or getting murdered?

Not trying to minimize the discrimination of the religious but can't you see why most would try to minimize discrimination against a class who has a history of discriminating? Additionally, the severity is not comparable. Maybe if we were in the Crusades things would be different...do you see what I'm saying?

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by BobbyJo »

fragmede wrote: post #554
BobbyJo wrote: post #546

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And this is based on? Having worked in the Bay for ~9 years I never met anyone that cared what religion a fellow employee was. So if we're just running off anecdotes and impressions, there's mine.

This is such a known situation that HBO's Silicon Valley did a whole bit on it in the show. Be thankful you've managed to avoid it in your 9 years in the valley! https://www.huffpost.com/entry/silicon-valley-episode-christ...

You're using a huffpost article about an episode of a satirical comedy show to prove discrimination. An article that contains the quote:

"However, Cheatham said she doesn’t think this means Christians ― particularly conservative Christians ― are being persecuted for their beliefs."

That is a poor basis for believing widespread, asymmetrical, discrimination is happening. I would honestly take an anecdote over that.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by not_a_shill »

BobbyJo wrote: post #355
irrational wrote: post #326

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No, where I live you are considered to be a freak if you are religious. Announcing that you have joined a religion is like announcing you are trans in Alabama 50 years ago.

Would you have a high likelihood of experiencing physical violence or death for being religious where you live? If not, then this is pointlessly hyperbolic.

I don't think likelihood of violence from a belief has much to do with counterculture status, moreso that the people that don't like queer people are more violent than the other way around.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by skyyler »

Taywee wrote: post #629
skyyler wrote: post #612

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>and more like unhinged, hateful, contrarian paranoid schizophrenia. You and I did not use the same 4chan in 2007... I learned new slurs there, ways to insult people that I could have never imagined. I read posts from a schizoid that claimed to have evidence that the government was influencing his life through the ratings of popular animes on My Anime List. I saw child porn get posted regularly. I saw extremely hatef…

I was a teenager, so it's possible to a degree, but the things you're listing in my memory were there in significantly smaller degrees, and have since completely taken over the site. Back in the day, there was a hell of a lot more "Yellow van", "epic for the win" and the like. Now it's 'america is a far left cultureless “nation” and its tranny enabling (((mutts))) will never be white no matter how much they inbreed w…

I don't think the ratio of shit:lulz has changed.

I think your ability to tolerate shit to get to the lulz has changed.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by samtp »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #605
cleandreams wrote: post #553

I am old enough to remember the hippies and related counterculture(s). (I was very young.) This is something to keep in mind: the counterculture then was a place where people made a living. And the cost of living was cheap. You could raise kids on an organic farm, sell in the local alternative stores, have a live show on pirate radio. And pay your modest bills. Health insurance and college tuition was cheap. Jeez --…

Part of that, in turn, is the slow death of the American working class. This is a much harsher society economically. That is why you step over bodies in San Francisco's Tenderloin. It wasn't like that when I moved here (early 80's). But why are you surprised? The hippies pushed free love and drug use. The inevitable end result was more children without stable families and drug addiction. When you step over those bodi…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by yamazakiwi »

throwaway_l33t wrote: post #406
undersuit wrote: post #312

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Because no one needs to change the way they act around you. Christianity and Catholicism are strongly majority groups in the US. You were already treated as a Christian because that's what the majority of our society is based on.

> no one needs to change the way they act around you. This is only because Catholics and Christians often don’t mention when workplace behaviors make them uncomfortable. I’ve been in multiple situations where coworkers have used names of God as expletives or made jokes about things I consider holy. And if you’re a Catholic and “trad” and planning lunch with colleagues, things like “is it Friday” or “is it a Friday in…

Queer people also don't mention workplace behavior that makes them uncomfortable all the time...I'm sure it's easy for you to think that queer people don't let transgressions slide, but many times they do so for their own safety or livelihood.

You are not made unsafe because I said the fuck word...

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by LAC-Tech »

samtp wrote: post #638
LAC-Tech wrote: post #605

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Part of that, in turn, is the slow death of the American working class. This is a much harsher society economically. That is why you step over bodies in San Francisco's Tenderloin. It wasn't like that when I moved here (early 80's). But why are you surprised? The hippies pushed free love and drug use. The inevitable end result was more children without stable families and drug addiction. When you step over those bodi…

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Would it upset you to know that's very far from the truth, and I've still come to this conclusion?
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