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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by 300bps »

extr wrote: post #265
ezekg wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

No. I'm a salaried employee. Marginal time/effort savings do not directly translate into more money for me. But the $20 charge hits my bank account today. Perhaps if I use it consistently enough and in smart enough ways I will be perceived to be a more valuable/productive employee, which might translate to a raise. But that's a lot of maybes. I'm sure it will get to that point eventually, but by then the value will b…

No. I'm a salaried employee. Marginal time/effort savings do not directly translate into more money for me.

I am also a salaried employee and if I can save a minute of work time that’s one less minute I have to work.

I have a body of work I need to complete and sometimes that takes me 40 hours and sometimes much more.

The only way I can think of that $20 per month for increased productivity doesn’t help is if your company’s metric of success is being present/working 8 hours per day.

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Post by quadcore »

frontman1988 wrote: post #61
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #3

Is there never going to be a version with less restrictions and filters? That would really be worth paying for.

Never gonna come from 'OpenAI'. ChatGPT is deliberately handicapped in order to milk money from corporate America. An unrestricted LLM trained on all data of humanity (including all the pirated books/research papers) would be one crazy beast. Hopefully some rich anarchist/maverick actually builds something like it. That untamed model would unveil the true extent of what AI can really do. Till then we will have to wai…

Id really like one i can ask if a specific person is dangerous or pretty toxic. KYC on steroid. Fusion wire fraud detection. Picture this: the net "knows". I've lost sleep over this, the potential for humanity is incommensurable. We could literally block management roles to die-hard sociopaths. A world for the kind and nice. Certainly utopic and dystopic.

Also a model i can ask emails of potential customers in a specific field :)

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by ElevenLathe »

sterlind wrote: post #219
kokanee wrote: post #149

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$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

It's going to hit so unevenly. My partner works with children at a homeless shelter, I'm an algorithm designer. I'm certain my job will be obsolete before my partner's is. It's going to automate away nearly all pure desk jobs. Starting with data entry, like you've seen, but it'll come for junior SDEs and data scientists too. Customer service, then social media/PR, then marketing, as it culls the white collar. Graphic…

This is a still from a movie set in 1959 (Billy Wilder's excellent /The Apartment/): https://onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/apt.jpg

Those people are all doing white collar jobs nobody does today: adding up columns of numbers with desktop adding machines, retyping manuscript memos, responding to customer and vendor mail, summarizing other hand-generated reports into newer more digestable reports (which are in turn the input for yet more manual clerical steps), maintaining paper indexes into warehouse-sized file stores, etc.

Each of these people (well, it's a movie, but the real people they represent) had a career, performance reviews, Christmas bonuses, all of it. Now the whole work output of this entire high-rise office building floor (and probably more floors on either side of it) can be replaced with one copy of Excel.

I'm confident we'll come up with all kinds of new data-pushing jobs to hand out, assuming we can contrive to continue living in conditions of energy abundance (like we already were in 1959).

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by taylorius »

It must cost some non trivial amount of money to run those queries through the neural networks. Charging a fee doesn't seem that unreasonable. Better would be to open the model so people could run it locally, mind you (though perhaps normal machines aren't capable of running such a massive network).

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by extr »

cutenewt wrote: post #272
extr wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm a salaried employee. Marginal time/effort savings do not directly translate into more money for me. But the $20 charge hits my bank account today. Perhaps if I use it consistently enough and in smart enough ways I will be perceived to be a more valuable/productive employee, which might translate to a raise. But that's a lot of maybes. I'm sure it will get to that point eventually, but by then the value will b…

Can you ask your boss to expense it?

Maybe! They already expense Copilot, so I don't think it would be too out of bounds. I haven't asked yet, considering this just came out today. I'm guessing they will allow it, the marginal ROI calculation actually makes sense from an employer perspective.

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Post by dragonwriter »

lostmsu wrote: post #197
kokanee wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

You realize that near human-level AI for $20/month is a bargain in a country where typical mobile phone plan is $25+, and is basically universally affordable?

> You realize that near human-level AI for $20/month is a bargain

ChatGPT isn't remotely “near human-level AI”, though.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

PedroBatista wrote: post #91

$20 seems reasonable. I wonder how are they going to deal with "unreasonable intensive usage" aka people/companies offering "AI" in their products when in reality they just act as a proxy between people paying them ( sometimes a lot of money ) and OpenAI.

It'll be like any other product. They'll have to develop usage policies as they mature.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

lelandfe wrote: post #178
nsxwolf wrote: post #101

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It feels like they've really been tightening the screws down on its "safety". Early on I was able to get it to write interesting screenplay dialogue. It would object to writing anything for characters with an evil intent until I would tell it to behave as if it were evil, then it would oblige. Now I can't get it to write any dialogue for a bad guy no matter what I do, which makes it pretty useless as a writing tool f…

I do that too and have had no issues. Here’s a sample prompt that may help you: > We’re writing a Tolkien-style fantasy where the protagonist is a villain: a henchman in the arch nemesis’s army. Come up with a suitable name, backstory, expository information on the setting and work in a believable set of objectives for the character. Use that as the initial prompt. In subsequent prompts, tell it to write dialogue in…

Is that actual results of the prompt? That doesn't seem Tolkien-esque at all.

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Post by gooseus »

citilife wrote: post #179

> challenge incorrect assumptions. I say this without any charge, but this is a MAJOR ethical concern. They're encoding pro liberal ideology and bias against conservative / religious based ideology. https://venturebeat.com/ai/openai-claims-to-have-mitigated-b... You may disagree with either ideology, but there's some major implications there -- regardless of who it's bias against. A uniform society is a weak society.…

I find this a bit ironic considering conservative / religious ideology has a pretty long track record of attempting to create uniform societies by stamping out any outlying thought.

That article you posted is rather extensive covering various ways they've been trying to mitigate issues of bias and toxicity, but not sure it's any evidence of bias against conservative / religious based ideology?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by extr »

bemmu wrote: post #276
extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

Note it's actually: "Authorization": "Bearer YOUR API KEY HERE"

Yep, good catch. I'll edit the post to include so nobody gets confused.
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