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Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by tankenmate »

blackhaz wrote: post #84
robertlagrant wrote: post #5

I'm starting to view more and more things as nationalism vs globalism. E.g. multinational corporations vs national tax laws E.g. global internet services vs national privacy laws E.g. global internet services vs national decency laws (the posted issue) I'm starting to realise this mismatch is where a lot of friction is and will continue to be.

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But it's not really even (or just) that; Muslims (in general obviously) have their own view on what Islam is and is not, and this may not jibe with Muslims from other parts of the world. A prime example is Ahmadiyyas; they consider themselves to be Muslims but in particular some of the harder line Muslims (for example some Wahhabists) would consider them to be heretical. And hence some would argue that they are breaching the Blasphemy law.

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Post by serverholic »

acdha wrote: post #150
serverholic wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s limited to religious people or republicans. I see it on both sides. I do agree that it’s partially due to programming. If you look at movies for example you’ll see this black and white thinking. There’s a good guy and a bad guy and it’s all very simple.

It’s not exclusive to those groups but it’s quite noticeably stronger there. I think that’s because those groups push positions which are unpopular with a majority of the population, so you have to link that to things they do want or think they must do and push it as a package deal. “We’re under attack constantly by deceptive forces” is an effective way to prevent the culture of questioning any part of the package —…

I think it's just as strong on both sides, the difference is intention and outcomes. The right uses this to reinforce their own power. The left uses it to try and correct injustices but ends up creating problems because of it.

Take a look at feminism for example. It started as "hey women should have equal rights", which is good. But now we see far too many people treating men as a monolith and demonizing them. So now we have a narrative that women = good, and men = bad. I see this all the time on social media from the left and it has to stop. Male suicide rates are far too high right now, and I partly blame this narrative and the lack of nuance that caused it.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by 34611 »

sidlls wrote: post #34
auctoritas wrote: post #15

Similar things are happening in the West given US and Euro govts leaning on Social Media companies to censor dissenting/blasphemous views. Just think - what are you not allowed to say? What will get you banned or blacklisted?

"banned or blacklisted" vs "executed by the state". Definitely equivalent. The West, in general, within its own territory, is better on just about every civil rights issue than places like Pakistan and China. That doesn't mean it's good : places like Pakistan and China set a pretty low bar.

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Post by tankenmate »

linkjuice4all wrote: post #115
freeqaz wrote: post #81

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I'd describe Twitter as closer to a news site in the modern era. There are a lot of journalists and other important public figures sharing information there, and that's especially true for important live news events like earthquakes. (Twitter is the first place I check if I feel the house shake, for example.)

By this logic the sidewalk in front of a bunch of newspaper vending machines is also a news site.

From a market of ideas vs information horizon perspective it is.

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Post by nashashmi »

hnews_account_1 wrote: post #118
nashashmi wrote: post #86

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What bias? I never even mentioned the other Muslim nations. What concern is it of theirs that Abdus existed? His own land disowning him is to their utter and ever lasting shame. This is of the order of the castration of Turing. The neighbouring nation that Pakistan always fights with would’ve gladly accepted him if he’d wanted to switch.

Exile is a frequent form of punishment and an alternative to execution. Widespread Condemnation of his group means no single country is alone in his exile. Further his group’s first leader was a supporter of the old colonial power. And they give him a place today. Your bias is supporting him while cursing another country that exiled him.

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #110
qwerty456127 wrote: post #24

I can hardly imagine an idea more ridiculous than "blasphemy". The G-d is not a psychologically immature human being easy to offend. Nothing a human might possibly say can change the state of G-d from perfect harmony to anything else.

Why are you selfcensoring "God"?

I believe it's a Jewish practice relating to avoiding idolatry.

IMO a little bit ironic considering the post contents.

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Post by jliptzin »

mistermann wrote: post #145
jliptzin wrote: post #131

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He’s just regurgitating what he heard on Fox News or a Ben Shapiro podcast, he’s not going to respond with sources

The irony in comments like this never ceases to amaze me.

It is amazing to me that we are okay with going along with all kinds of peculiar things that religious people do, even things that inconvenience non-believers (shabbat elevators, kosher/halal laws, closing liquor stores on Sunday (God's day), people walking around with ash on their foreheads, ignoring basic medical advice because it conflicts with your religious beliefs, censoring/banning textbooks, etc, but if someone feels like they don't fit neatly into him/her pronouns, half the country is up in arms over that, mostly the religious people! Just consider it part of their religious beliefs and move on with your life.

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Post by nashashmi »

LarryMullins wrote: post #135
nashashmi wrote: post #86

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What is "a follower"? Is that another term for Muslim? Your accusation doesn't make sense to me.

There is a person at the center of controversy and he leads a fringe movement at odds with the rest of mainstream Islam. The poster was a follower of the movement and curses anyone who goes against the leader.

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Post by LarryMullins »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #125
BowBun wrote: post #111

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People love to reference the logical fallacy[1] as though there have been no instances where momentum builds from a series of decisions and cascades in a massive shift. But then again, thinkers like these are happy to comfortably think about the past while many suffer, instead of applying realism towards the future. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

People love to cite the fallacy because it’s one that’s used a lot. Sure, momentum builds. Sometimes. But the fallacy is proclaiming with 100% certainty both that the momentum will build, and the specific way it’s going to roll. We don’t know the future. We can’t claim with certainty that something will happen as a result of another action. Claiming anything otherwise is falling right into the fallacy.

Drawing a downward slope is a fallacy when you have a single datapoint and you're just asserting that the datapoint exists as part of a trend. If you have more than a single datapoint, then claiming to see a trend is no longer fallacious.

In the real world, there is rarely a single datapoint. In the case of religions demanding censorship, there is A LOT of data.

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Post by [deleted] »

linkjuice4all wrote: post #115
freeqaz wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd describe Twitter as closer to a news site in the modern era. There are a lot of journalists and other important public figures sharing information there, and that's especially true for important live news events like earthquakes. (Twitter is the first place I check if I feel the house shake, for example.)

By this logic the sidewalk in front of a bunch of newspaper vending machines is also a news site.

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