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Re: Cargo airships could be big

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If fusion power takes off, could you produce helium as a by-product?

Basically, no: https://www.jerf.org/iri/post/2922/ And that assumes perfect capture, too. If you're going that route it'd probably be better to just use hot air with the energy.

Nice! Thanks.

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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I think the key is in the wikipedia article: You only gain 14% lift with a vacuum vs helium. The tradeoff is either: - Build a pressure vessel to withstand the differential to the atmosphere - Let the helium do the pushing from the inside but make the thing 14% bigger I don't see how the vacuum ever wins.

> I don't see how the vacuum ever wins. 3 ways. - Vacuums aren't combustible. - Vacuums can be created without sourcing a gas. - Vacuums allow you adjust buoyancy without requiring you to carry extra gases. The major downside of a vacuum is finding something ridged enough, light enough, and cheap enough to maintain a vacuum.

Its a little disingenuous to imply that a vacuum is safer than Hydrogen just because it doesn't combust. Have it spring a leak near the passenger cabin and watch what happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPoVuFtWs_Y&t=7s

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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Jeez, why is there fuel at all?

If you have that much real estate in the lift body, cover it with solar panels. Especially since I figure they would flatten it at some point to get some sort of wing effect as well, but I'm no aero engineer.

But 388m x 78m is 30264 square meters

A 400 watt panel is 2 square meters, assume it's 1/2 yield, so you get six megawatts of power. That sounds... pretty good? Even 3 megawatts?

Again, you could probably flatten it further for more panels.

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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Build a second basket for our eggs. There are obviously better baskets than Venus though. I'd sooner choose an orbital habitat.

There is no second basket possible and the idea that there is one is a recipe for disaster

And NOT doing it is a good idea? Like the world governing fuckheads have their heads out of their asses yet after 30 years of the IPCC being validated?

Like we keep being told that population will level out, but I've seen, what, HOLY CRAP, 4 billion people added since I was born, 3.7 --> 7.7.

Because we are totally on top of species depletion? And the world government totally is stable with China and Russia and the US and EU and North Korea and Islam-land and everyone trying to get nukes?

You know what is mind blowingly dumb? Wasting a trillion dollars a year on defense spending, in the US alone.

With China starting to get greedy over space, I think we'll see plenty of investment soon.

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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what are we going to do from mars

Everywhere but Earth is really inhospitable, but if it were up to me, I'd pick the Moon first, then Mars, then some asteroids, then way down the list — after we've got space industry sufficient to make planet-sized mirrors — then I'd pick the planet where the surface-level condensation is lead vapour in an acid pressure cooker.

The thing is about a space economy IMO:

1) getting enough stuff out of Earth's gravity well

2) getting a reasonably self-sufficient population for survival and manufacturing of survival goods

But once you get there, the lack of a big gravity well makes this a lot easier. Low-G or zero-G is a lot easier to move stuff around at the small scales. How much could I lift on the moon?

I'm torn between a moon base and doing enough near-earth asteroid captures to build a space hab. Political support would probably be behind the moon base first, but a space hab built from captured asteroids might be cheaper.

Anyway, once you get a big enough base in space and some manufacturing, build a couple orion pulse nuclear ships, or some nuclear thermal equivalent to hop around the solar system quickly. Then we can probably start mining high value asteroids.

Then Mars and Venus start making sense.

Maybe we can find a closer brown dwarf than Proxima.

THEN, we can go for some nearby stars.

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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This, my friends, is why we should colonize the upper atmosphere of Venus, where you could chill outside with only a respirator, rather than the inhospitable, irradiated, mangnetosphere free mars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Altitude_Venus_Operationa... https://spectrum.ieee.org/nasa-study-proposes-airships-cloud...

I've always felt people with these ideas are doing pie in the sky thinking and missing the other trends that would beat this concept out. Humans aren't suited for these environments. We evolved to fit this planet. These gasses, radiation levels, terrestrial foods, etc. The economics of going to Mars, Venus, etc. are iffy, and humans probably won't enjoy being there. It's McMurdo times about 1000. Getting back is hard…

Cyborg convergence is basically a guarantee barring destruction of the species, I'd think. Especially once the billionaires get a taste for cybernetic life extension.

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post #341

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Why would we deliberately cripple the economy? Who would want worse service?

I don't want worse services. I want services that don't break the environment. I want services that respect a proper balance. If it means that it's a bit worse to my "customer experience", then so be it.

You can already make the choice to accept slower shipping and choose to avoid air travel. Dragging everyone else down to a more primitive society to satiate ideological climate goals doesn't seem politically palatable nor expedient.

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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> You start with N kites and connect them, each kite retains its airworthiness and connecting them doesn't change that. If you do that, you have N wires between the kites and the ground. Keeping them untangled may be a problem. Your best bet probably is tying them together and having only one thicker wire towards the ground. Making sure each of those wires takes 1/Nth of the load from the wind definitely will be a pr…

One possibility would have a large membrane with wires connected to a pendant load. The wires would be fractal: the lines from each small kite in a unit would combine to make that unit's single line, and those units' lines would do the same, and so on. In terms of keeping the load balanced, I figure the individual kites can modulate their surface area somehow. Maybe they fold like butterfly wings, or dilate, or have…

> I don't think the "plank over a ditch" is similar. If anything it's more like a suspension bridge?

It’s a suspension bridge if you keep “one wire per kite”, but I mentioned that example to help make clear that the “we won’t need 1 wire for each small kite” scenario would scale the weight of the kite at a speed that’s faster than linear, and that’s not the suspension bridge scenario.

I think your suggestions to modulate the surface area/adding motors or propellers/etc. also mean the larger, composite, kite would be heavier than the set of smaller kites. The structure certainly would be more complex than “just tie a thousand kites together”.

Re: Cargo airships could be big

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I don’t know that I’d call it a traditional visual novel. Or at least not the kind with really trite stories. The way the story is structured, you unlock scenes where you just read the text, and occasionally make branching choices. But the scenes are not very long. It’s also interesting in that it borrows from modern TV non-linear storytelling; you do not see the story in chronological order, nothing is as it seems,…

I’d say the RTS segments are closer to an action RPG as well, such as Final Fantasy’s ATB but on a kaiju/mecha city map. Or, you could suggest that they’re Diofield Chronicle ’s structure with Nintendo-style puzzle development, plus Persona 5 ’s pop.

Sure. I just picked Dark because it was freshest in my memory, was also sci-fi related, and had the whole non-linear interlacing stories.
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