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Hermes: An open-source document management system

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Re: Hermes: An open-source document management system

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Post by dijit »

pjmlp wrote: post #117
Aeolun wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SharePoint is only nice if everything is Microsoft... Respectfully, I’d never describe Sharepoint as nice. It’s been hell since the first time I encountered it 15 years ago.

Given the target market, I don't find Sharepoint that bad given the alternative offerings on the enterprise space. All of them have different levels of pain.

Well.

Someone has never seen the advanced permissions tab...

There is not "eh, they're all kinda bad" left in your head after you try to understand that mess. And forget actually being able to validate your permissions, it's basically impossible without some actually licensed fake account that you can use for testing.

Also, in what world is "denying someone access to a folder" the same as making the folder invisible? What went through the head of the designer?

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Post by ChrisRR »

gertrunde wrote: post #134
pledg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK their reputation got so bad they renamed the company.

Although they are in general quite bad, in my local area they are surprisingly good - for one reason - that specific delivery driver has significant local knowledge. Getting the right staff in the right place sometimes makes a big difference.

I think it's that they give the delivery drivers a stupidly short amount of time to make deliveries, so it's up to each driver how they handle it.

Some take their time and work slower, some leave them buy your front door and don't ring the bell, some dump them over the fence, and some just mark them as delivered and drive home with the parcels.

Re: Hermes: An open-source document management system

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Post by brmgb »

ycombinete wrote: post #112
vhiremath4 wrote: post #101

The problem with versioning & management systems for docs is that you need the process to drive the adoption. Getting people to version, approve, and fully manage a document database is the hard part. Many companies do not even adequately document - they just send information in a Slack/Teams message and nothing is written down for later (this is why startups like Glean exist: https://www.glean.com/ ). There are mass…

This is painfully accurate. I setup Alfresco for our company, and I used the versioning tools etc. while doing documentation. A few years after I moved out of documentation I went back to Alfresco to download a document, only to find none of the tools still in use. jessica_edit_v2_final.pdf type documents all over my beautiful server!

Nobody uses versioning to work on document. It is too annoying and merge barely works if at all anyway. Trying to convince people to put work in progress document in a DMS is a lost battle. Sharepoint via Teams might happen but that's stricly for the shared folders and cooperative edition functionality.

A DMS is very good for storing reference documents however.

The only company I worked for where DMS was really successful, there was someone in charge of managing it full time. The only documents which could go in had to have been reviewed and signed by the relevant persons. Documents were considered as not existing unless they were in the DMS and producing said documents was a significant part of our objectives as they were contractually mandated by our customers.

This had the nice side effect of making retrieving documents very easy.

Re: Hermes: An open-source document management system

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Post by mutant »

redwood wrote: post #139

It's shocking to me that Hashicorp would focus on building this undifferentiated work and not on shoring up their core offerings as SaaS where they are falling behind resting on their laurels selling Vault to central IT teams that are increasingly not on the vanguard on the companies they work for.

It could be an employee pet project. Kinda like what happened here

https://open.nytimes.com/we-built-a-collaborative-documentat...

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Post by capableweb »

Ideabile wrote: post #144

I’m not claiming any right in naming after Ancient Greek gods. But wanna say that I choose the “same” name for a related goal project https://github.com/Ideabile/ermes

> https://github.com/search?q=hermes

> 4,773 repository results

Re: Hermes: An open-source document management system

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Post by brunoqc »

zbjornson wrote: post #113
brunoqc wrote: post #102

Is Google Docs good for code blocks with syntax highlighting?

It's been built-in since December to Google Workspace premium tiers: https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2022/12/format-displ...

Thanks.

I wish it wasn't only for premium.

Re: Hermes: An open-source document management system

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Post by rombert »

croo wrote: post #2

I read through the project as I worked with several document storage solution before and still lookin for an ideal solution. Filenet is horribly overpriced from IBM, Alfresco looks nice but have serious performance issues (my experience is from 2020), SharePoint is only nice if everything is Microsoft... Apache Oak is an abandoned project with a lot of things that seems to be in it but didnt get finished (e.g. CMIS p…

Assuming that by Apache Oak you mean the Oak subproject of Apache Jackrabbit ( https://jackrabbit.apache.org/oak/ ), why would you consider it abandoned? Release 1.48.0 came out last week and it's been seeing steady activity throught the last years - https://github.com/apache/jackrabbit-oak/ .

I am a committer and PMC member in the project, so I may be biased.

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Post by trinsic2 »

leppr wrote: post #143
lewisjoe wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried https://workdrive.zoho.com ?

Happy to be be proven wrong as I haven't used this specific service, but the quality of Zoho mail-related offerings is so laughingly bad that I wouldn't touch any of their other products.

I use Zoho CRM. it's actually pretty good in terms of customization reliability and features. I used to maintain a SugarCRM CE instance for several years after they stop supporting the community edition.I Could no longer afford to spend the time to maintain it so I replaced it with ZohoCRM.

You're right about their Mail solutions though they're not that great.

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Post by Terretta »

Aeolun wrote: post #80
croo wrote: post #2

I read through the project as I worked with several document storage solution before and still lookin for an ideal solution. Filenet is horribly overpriced from IBM, Alfresco looks nice but have serious performance issues (my experience is from 2020), SharePoint is only nice if everything is Microsoft... Apache Oak is an abandoned project with a lot of things that seems to be in it but didnt get finished (e.g. CMIS p…

> SharePoint is only nice if everything is Microsoft... Respectfully, I’d never describe Sharepoint as nice. It’s been hell since the first time I encountered it 15 years ago.

If you use it in a way that you don't know it exists (e.g., Teams as the UI, open files directly into Office apps, collaborate with others in real time both in Teams and in the documents themselves, where Teams channels are SharePoint sites but you don't know that), then Sharepoint is pretty slick. Just, whatever you do, don't poke it. Let the Teams UI manage it. If things get wonky, recreate Teams and Channels, Microsoft iterates the defaults and integration wiring, but doesn't reach back and rewire existing things.

It's the only way I'm aware of to have a modern tech like office productivity suite that's genuinely compliant with security and compliance regulations applying to the most heavily regulated industries. Google's offering is not that. You can get there with mashups of other tools if you start with a compliant (but clunky) groupware live discussion offering and identity aware role based access to a versioned collaborative document store.

Most firms are not required to have this level of regulated compliance, so most firms don't have to put up with the downsides. If you do, it is the least worst.

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