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Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

#91

I'm starting to view more and more things as nationalism vs globalism. E.g. multinational corporations vs national tax laws E.g. global internet services vs national privacy laws E.g. global internet services vs national decency laws (the posted issue) I'm starting to realise this mismatch is where a lot of friction is and will continue to be.

Its not nationalism, but fairness. If nationally you can't just work people all week, then an american company with unlimited VC money, selling its user data to everybody and working its workers to death will absolutely crush any local or neighboring competitor. There must be limits, because as we have seen, globalism as its currently is basically american everything.

> There must be limits

There are limits. There is no unlimited VC money, and America's a crazy place to give an example of as having no workers' rights.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

#92

... Why not edit out the "offensive" material? edit I meant why didn't the Pakistani government just edit Wikipedia like any other person. I realized my post could be taken as saying "why didn't Wikipedia just do what they want" which was not what I meant.

Because Wikipedia doesn't comply with censorship and rightfully so.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Someone reported this to the FBI, it's not actionable on a criminal level, but it breaks your TOS, heads-up" versus "we have deleted the encyclopedia for religious reasons". Yep, definitely comparable scenarios. Blasphemy carries the death penalty in Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_in_Pakistan

Yep, definitely comparable scenarios. I think it is. Pakastan can create whatever laws fit its culture. I would never dare to imagine imposing my values or beliefs on them. They should create their own Wiki alternative and make it popular within their nation. [Edit] Or if their people see fit change their laws, overthrow their government or whatever they deem appropriate for their culture. But that is entirely on the…

Deferring blindly to any government is a dumb strategy.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Some context here.

There were a series of large scale terrorist attacks in Pakistan recently, with recent killing 101 people.

This has caused an extreme level of criticism of the government, and the government is trying desperately to find a way to do a diversion.

Ban on Wikipedia is a highly visible attempt to distract Pakistani literati class from security issues.

Nothing to do with religion

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there artistic depictions of Muhammed on Wikipedia?

while it may be tempting to condense the concern to the most virulent objections of an extreme, it bears remembrance that Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam. the Holy Quran and Sunnah are effectively the books by which this nation is governed, and as such any charge of blasphemy is taken with a seriousness bordering on the academic. this blasphemy charge could stem from any of the…

> it bears remembrance that Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam.

No? Saudi Arabia exists

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

#98

> on account of not blocking / removing sacrilegious contents > Wikipedia was approached for blocking / removal of the said contents > platform neither complied by removing the blasphemous content nor appeared before the Authority. Anyone know what sacrilegious/blasphemous content they are referring to?

Are there artistic depictions of Muhammed on Wikipedia?

The Wikipedia article about Charlie Hebdo has one. I assume it is not the only one:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_issue_No._1178

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're comparing a group chat to an encyclopedia...

I'd describe Twitter as closer to a news site in the modern era. There are a lot of journalists and other important public figures sharing information there, and that's especially true for important live news events like earthquakes. (Twitter is the first place I check if I feel the house shake, for example.)

Absolutely not. A news site presumes that a majority of the content on there is vetted, researched, and somewhat accurate within the bounds of typical news bias.

Twitter is an open platform that anyone can say anything on. It's a social media site, and people happen to post their personal stories/experiences. Nothing more. I believe we wouldn't have such issues with misinformation if people stopped giving so much weight to everything they read on Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/etc.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

#100

Twitter appears to have complied with removing the BBC documentary tweets for users in India. So some tweets are not available in India. It does look like Wikipedia is ahead of Twitter in the free speech absolutist game if it prefers being blocked to compliance.

I think he always specified that it was within the limits of local laws. Were the links removed for every country, or just in india?
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