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We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Climate change has only one priority: stop releasing carbon into the atmosphere. We're all dead if we don't and we cannot afford to add one tiny extra burden onto that monumental task. Sorry. The alternative is death for us all and no chance of any justice ever.

Models. Prediction with no long term history of being correct. It's a doomsday cult. I would recommend going back to watch Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and see how many of the catastrophic predictions have come true.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying "weight loss has only one priority; eat less food and exercise more". Of course, but people simply won't. So what do we do?

Descend into a planet of billions of migrants, mass famine, ultra right wing governments, while the population drops by billions

>while the population drops by billions

Easiest way to reduce GHG emissions right there.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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post #12
post #5

Climate change has only one priority: stop releasing carbon into the atmosphere. We're all dead if we don't and we cannot afford to add one tiny extra burden onto that monumental task. Sorry. The alternative is death for us all and no chance of any justice ever.

Models. Prediction with no long term history of being correct. It's a doomsday cult. I would recommend going back to watch Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and see how many of the catastrophic predictions have come true.

Exxon mobile scientists predicted all this in the 1970s with pretty good accuracy: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64241994

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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I recently took a course on greenwashing, the history of distraction in the ecoactivist movement, and effective political activism. I don't know if there's a single movement that has been sidelined more than the conservation movement. Maybe the US labor movement.

What course was that? Any chance it's publicly accessible?

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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"Fossil Future" is an interesting book on this topic that argues we need to use more fossil fuels instead of less. And it makes me kind of agree with the author, since I learnt that solar and wind only makes sense to use where it can offset the carbon footprint that it created when it was manufactured. I totally vote for nuclear, and I hope that it picks up, but we'll need fossil fuels for multiple industries anyway besides energy. And if we say "let's expand R&D to find alternatives" even that probably requires more fossil fuels and not less.

Disclaimer: I don't deny global warming. I'm just not sure what the objectively realistic options are that don't include massively reducing global population and at the same time sinking millions into poverty due to lack of energy. We can go green, but we can't go green and have everyone maintain their living standards at the same time we also grow and perform R&D on multiple areas.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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Greening and green-washing are causing a lot of harm. Good on Al Jazeera publishing this article and Kolinjivadi for writing it. More Western publications need to follow suit!

They won't, the industries criticized heavily advertise with them.

Re: We are ‘greening’ ourselves to extinction

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I recently took a course on greenwashing, the history of distraction in the ecoactivist movement, and effective political activism. I don't know if there's a single movement that has been sidelined more than the conservation movement. Maybe the US labor movement.

It is a bit of a stretch to conflate the conservation and labor movements like that.
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