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Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by ceejayoz »

LinuxBender wrote: post #4

I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

"Someone reported this to the FBI, it's not actionable on a criminal level, but it breaks your TOS, heads-up" versus "we have deleted the encyclopedia for religious reasons". Yep, definitely comparable scenarios.

Blasphemy carries the death penalty in Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_in_Pakistan

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by signatoremo »

LinuxBender wrote: post #4

I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

There are plenty of articles critical of content censoring on HN already. I’d wager that the majority of censor criticism on HN are about the US. Very rarely about any other country. What are you waiting for?

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by LinuxBender »

ceejayoz wrote: post #11
LinuxBender wrote: post #4

I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

"Someone reported this to the FBI, it's not actionable on a criminal level, but it breaks your TOS, heads-up" versus "we have deleted the encyclopedia for religious reasons". Yep, definitely comparable scenarios. Blasphemy carries the death penalty in Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_in_Pakistan

Yep, definitely comparable scenarios.

I think it is. Pakastan can create whatever laws fit its culture. I would never dare to imagine imposing my values or beliefs on them. They should create their own Wiki alternative and make it popular within their nation.

[Edit] Or if their people see fit change their laws, overthrow their government or whatever they deem appropriate for their culture. But that is entirely on them. Now if they want to ask how to bypass censorship, I would be happy to provide a myriad of methods just as I did for the Iranians that posted here in the recent past.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by syntheticnature »

LinuxBender wrote: post #4

I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

"Tu quoque" is a logical fallacy.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by capableweb »

> on account of not blocking / removing sacrilegious contents

> Wikipedia was approached for blocking / removal of the said contents

> platform neither complied by removing the blasphemous content nor appeared before the Authority.

Anyone know what sacrilegious/blasphemous content they are referring to?

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by syntheticnature »

robertlagrant wrote: post #5

I'm starting to view more and more things as nationalism vs globalism. E.g. multinational corporations vs national tax laws E.g. global internet services vs national privacy laws E.g. global internet services vs national decency laws (the posted issue) I'm starting to realise this mismatch is where a lot of friction is and will continue to be.

Makes me think, though it's not 1:1, of a book I read in college called _Jihad vs. McWorld_

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_vs._McWorld

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by Spivak »

cocacola1 wrote: post #8
LinuxBender wrote: post #4

I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

This seems to be a case of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

And also equivocating “pressuring companies to deal with their hate speech problem which makes online communities best case unwelcome, worst case unsafe for the people and groups being targeted” and “censoring religious blasphemy to try and maintain existing theocratic power structures.”

Like when the US actually starts trying to censor ideas rather than their hateful expressions I’ll start to be worried. Because lord knows it is your god given right to be an absolute piece of shit writing think pieces about all your bigoted opinions but content like /r/c__ntown is just hate with no substance at all.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by serverholic »

bryan0 wrote: post #6
LinuxBender wrote: post #4

I would love wag the finger but first I would have to clean up my own country, the United States of America. When the US government stops pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and they stop happily complying then perhaps I might have room to criticize other nations. [Edit] And how should this be addressed in the US? Simple. Only censor things that are explicitly and clearly illegal under federal law and…

There’s plenty of room to criticize both

What I’ve realized is that people in general are largely incapable of nuance.

- Things are either bad or good.

- Only one side can be right which means the other side is automagically wrong.

- Multiple things can’t be true at the same time.

- etc.

Re: Pakistani gov degrades Wikipedia connections due to blasphemy

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Post by ddevault »

LinuxBender wrote: post #13
ceejayoz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Someone reported this to the FBI, it's not actionable on a criminal level, but it breaks your TOS, heads-up" versus "we have deleted the encyclopedia for religious reasons". Yep, definitely comparable scenarios. Blasphemy carries the death penalty in Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_in_Pakistan

Yep, definitely comparable scenarios. I think it is. Pakastan can create whatever laws fit its culture. I would never dare to imagine imposing my values or beliefs on them. They should create their own Wiki alternative and make it popular within their nation. [Edit] Or if their people see fit change their laws, overthrow their government or whatever they deem appropriate for their culture. But that is entirely on the…

The death penalty is abhorrent and indefensible, and religious freedom and the right to free expression are both included in the universal declaration of human rights, to which Pakistan is a signatory.
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