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Let's hope that it will be amended precisely in order to let open source projects (and their users) live. And if you are a EU citizen, please contact your MEP about it. It's not voted yet. It's still time.
The proposed law needs to be scrapped completely. The whole thing is bad, all it’s got going for it is the claim that they’re going to “protect the children”.
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> Maybe it's not the worst idea in the world to have enforced engineering standards for the digital built environment like we have for the non-digital built environment If you're building infrastructure control systems, sure. But for software that "enable human-to-human communication"? Do we have engineering standards for printing out pamphlets, teaching foreign languages, inventing board games, writing a song?
Obviously the standards should be in concordance with how critical the infrastructure is. I thought that went without saying. I'm just trying to ask if we should expect working on critical infrastructure to be "fun" and not burdened by regulations.
To be fair, I haven't read the actual draft, just read some reporting about the implications for open source software.
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Let me say it again: EU citizens elect members of the European Parliament, there is no extra layer of abstraction. And it's precisely the European Parliament which can do something about it if the Commission is proposing a bad law.
The main problem is that the European Parliament can't write new laws. There's no way to directly elect members that write laws. In every democratic country, you do.
But "if [the not directly elected parts of the EU] want to do something they will and there’s nothing that can be done about it" remains incorrect.
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Probably overstated, but it's true that the EU gets arguably less democratic oversight than many governments.
Is it? I would rather say it is maybe too democratic. For an EU law to pass, both the EU parliament and EU council need to approve. So that means people vote for parties, that in turn are the EU parliament. Plus the EU council, which consists of the heads all the EU countries. That is a double layer of democracy. The only real difference is that EU gets very little media attention.
Not a very good interpretation of the law, but I'm sure it gets a lot of traffic. The EU definition of online intermediation services specifies that a contractual relationship must exist. It's focused on businesses. RPM repositories, apt repositories, pkgsrc, and so forth are therefore completely unaffected, as there's no contractual relationship between the providers and users. Elementary OS, Flatpak, and Canonical'…
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If software dev had been licensed and regulated this way we’d have only a tiny fraction of what we have now in terms of languages, OSes, tooling, etc. There are specific areas where it makes sense but doing it broadly will just halt all innovation.
> If software dev had been licensed and regulated this way we’d have only a tiny fraction of what we have now in terms of languages, OSes, tooling, etc. It's starting to sound like a very good idea. > There are specific areas where it makes sense but doing it broadly will just halt all innovation. Or speed it by focusing efforts on well designed software.
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I'm afraid all of this comment is essentially nonsense. For starters, the EU system (including the Commission, all the various agencies across the Union, all courts, etc.) employs around 60,000 people. The government of Sweden alone employs more people for a population of only 10M. The EU is in fact fairly lean given its scope and the number of languages. National governments are responsible for implementing almost e…
But the EU is not a government. It only does funding, almost nothing else. They are all administrators, members of committees, managers of members of committees and so on and forth. The EU won't put out the fire in your house or send you a doctor. What's the purpose of comparing it to sweden? It is a different kind of organization, and there is no mechanism for EU citizens to assign blame to the EU politicians. Pract…
This is not just salaries, but cost, including building, services schools, pensions and god knows what.
P.S. As I noted elsewhere, if you want to voice your concern about eurocrats' pay, start with Ombudsman office. They spend much more per head.
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Other than open source stuff I don't see what would be hard to comply with it. Most people use Windows, Gmail and Android or iPhone. At least half of those already do most of what this law would ask.
It seems hard to comply with because any software repository and app store falls under this law and the EU cannot control who uploads a chat app on one of these. At least people from non-EU countries will continue to develop and upload chat apps with full end-to-end encryption and without age verification. So essentially this proposed legislation seems to make all software repositories and app stores illegal, which m…
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EU is neither free nor open. I'm saying this as a citizen of EU member. It's getting more and more pro-big-business and pro-big-government day by day. While citizen self-governance is crushed over and over. Good example is Poland vs EU conflict for political control of judges. Meanwhile nobody bats an eye for existing political control of judges in my country. Here higher level judges have to be approved by parliamen…
Where are you from, if I may ask?
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But the EU is not a government. It only does funding, almost nothing else. They are all administrators, members of committees, managers of members of committees and so on and forth. The EU won't put out the fire in your house or send you a doctor. What's the purpose of comparing it to sweden? It is a different kind of organization, and there is no mechanism for EU citizens to assign blame to the EU politicians. Pract…
183_333 per head is a lot in Romania, but pretty much in line public administration spending in Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany and France where the bulk of the staff works. This is not just salaries, but cost, including building, services schools, pensions and god knows what. P.S. As I noted elsewhere, if you want to voice your concern about eurocrats' pay, start with Ombudsman office. They spend much more per hea…