My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet • Hacker News Board

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by hulitu » Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 4:26 PM UTC

musicale wrote: post #128

3pac wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not consider logging into iCloud to be part of "finishing setting up" my computer. In fact, I would like more out-of-the-box visibility into the phoning-home that Mac OS X performs. With Xcode specifically, I think a computer should be immediately programmable, like a BASIC interpreter used to be included. Especially to encourage young people.

Most computing devices include a web browser with a JavaScript interpreter. However, it isn't easy for beginners to discover or to learn to use. But... regardless of any improvements to make programming more discoverable and accessible, I don't foresee a resurgence of interest in end-user programming, because: 1) Apps have made end-user programming obsolete (much like web 2.0 eliminating end-user HTML and JavaScript.…

>Most computing devices include a web browser with a JavaScript interpreter.

A web browser is not a computer. They are working hard to make it one, but they are just not there yet. /s

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by taskforcegemini » Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 5:07 AM UTC

roxgib wrote: post #16

Every tech journalist moans about Macs lacking touch screens, but I really hope it never happens. Touch interfaces and desktop interfaces are fundamentally different and having both just forces a lot of compromise. But it seems like Apple gets that and is just unifying the experience a bit rather than paving the way for touch screen MacBooks, at least I hope.

+1

my thinkpad (t25) has a touchscreen, of which I am occasionally reminded of by accidentally brushing the screen with a hand. Really have no use for it and don't want to be touching a screen in the first place. It's like putting fingers on your glasses.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by r3dneck » Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 11:52 AM UTC

> "On Ventura, every time you plug in a new USB device to your Mac, a small box pops up, asking for your permission to connect the device." > "Of course, Apple would tell you that this is for security and safety reasons. BS!"

Do you know what ? It is for security reasons, attacks via thunderbolt are a thing, see for example here:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/05/attack_agains...

I'm also not enthusiast of the latest macOS changes , but your opinion IMHO isn't controversial, is uninformed.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by musicale » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 1:22 AM UTC

hulitu wrote: post #141

musicale wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most computing devices include a web browser with a JavaScript interpreter. However, it isn't easy for beginners to discover or to learn to use. But... regardless of any improvements to make programming more discoverable and accessible, I don't foresee a resurgence of interest in end-user programming, because: 1) Apps have made end-user programming obsolete (much like web 2.0 eliminating end-user HTML and JavaScript.…

>Most computing devices include a web browser with a JavaScript interpreter. A web browser is not a computer. They are working hard to make it one, but they are just not there yet. /s

I was responding to "a BASIC interpreter used to be included", pointing out that although BASIC may no longer be shipped with every PC, JavaScript usually is.

Your point is well taken though - JavaScript, while arguably more powerful than BASIC in many ways, usually doesn't allow the same low-level hardware access that Microsoft (and other) BASIC implementations once did. Nonetheless it's often possible to write pretty good, full-screen games in JavaScript with sound, 2D and 3D graphics, network capability, and even game controller support.

And while BASIC could call out to assembly language, JavaScript can call out to WASM.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by roxgib » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 8:06 AM UTC

CharlieDigital wrote: post #34

roxgib wrote: post #16

Every tech journalist moans about Macs lacking touch screens, but I really hope it never happens. Touch interfaces and desktop interfaces are fundamentally different and having both just forces a lot of compromise. But it seems like Apple gets that and is just unifying the experience a bit rather than paving the way for touch screen MacBooks, at least I hope.

My wife has a Surface laptop and there are a lot of use cases where it's very natural to use touch. Scrolling when reading long documents is one. Looking at maps (e.g Google Maps) is another. Basically anything that has a lot of scrolling, panning, and zooming. Drawing annotations is another. For example Slack screen share, whiteboard apps, and so on. Of course there is the touchpad, but in these cases - especially w…

For scrolling I've always found a trackpad to be equal, if not better, than a touch screen. They feel nicer and are quicker and more accurate. Obviously not as versatile as a touchscreen though. I'd ben fine with it if it didn't otherwise interfere with the desktop experience, but I can't believe that'll be how it plays out.