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Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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> Tencent, Alibaba, Baidu No longer an option if you’re american

I think they still have offices here in the US and employ Americans. Alibaba has been scaling back though. Lastly, I don't think there's any law that prevents an American from moving to China to work. https://careers.tencent.com/en-us/cityinfo.html?city=401 http://research.baidu.com/

Yes, but they are now forced to give up their American citizenship to do so. That's a very steep cost.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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I don’t know who is invested in Intel that's betting on anything but a high risk high reward underdog story comeback. Intel already was undercompensating to the point of driving the talent out of their company to begin with. These wage cuts are a sign for investors to flee faster because management lacks coherence. Management seems to be betting on a strategy of promising the world to gain government subsidies while…

How is Intel an underdog next to AMD? I don't know many business machines running AMD.

> How is Intel an underdog next to AMD? I don't know many business machines running AMD.

I don't know what a "business machine" is, but you probably aren't intimately familiar with organizations that have been directly purchasing large amounts of processors or processor containing devices over the last several years. For many such entities, AMD has made way more sense than Intel.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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I wonder if they just became terminally risk averse. The thing that made them big is pretty obvious: high-margin premium priced x86 CPUs, which is a position they were able to hold for decades due both to manufacturing excellence and being able to shepherd the standard. They simply can't do it anymore-- execution has stumbled, and the market for x86 is gradually weakening, especially in spaces outside the cut-throat,…

> I wonder if they just became terminally risk averse. > They could have been using decades of margin to build and consolidate positions in other segments of the market. That seems pretty simplistic. Optane and Larrabee were bold efforts. (Heck, so was Itanium). It's not like they didn't try throwing money and R&D at things. But that isn't always enough. > Rather than, say, taking the ARM licenses they ended up flogg…

But weren't they forced to purchase StrongARM/XScale from DEC as part of their hyperthreading patent infringement settlement?

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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Once upon a time dividend payments were _the reason_ to hold stock in companies. Funny that tax loop holes and the borrowing-against-assets-infinite-money-cheat rendered dividends "silly". Yes this is a shit situation for Intel, but public companies should be paying dividends, IMO.

I have a feeling that increases in foreign investors also discouraged companies from issuing dividends. For example, I pay 0% capital gains tax but have to pay the US government (where I have never stepped foot) 30% on dividends.

Agreed. As a non-US tax resident, this factors a lot into whether a buy a stock or not. The 30% flat dividend tax rate pushes a lot of potentially enticing stocks to a bad buy for value.

I wonder whether this sentiment also contributed to the meme stocks popularity, since outside the US nobody really buys US stock with high dividends and are pushed to speculate on volatile stocks ala "stonks go up"..

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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How is Intel an underdog next to AMD? I don't know many business machines running AMD.

> How is Intel an underdog next to AMD? I don't know many business machines running AMD. I don't know what a "business machine" is, but you probably aren't intimately familiar with organizations that have been directly purchasing large amounts of processors or processor containing devices over the last several years. For many such entities, AMD has made way more sense than Intel.

I meant workstations, laptops, servers, etc. My org has 1000s of endpoints and 10s of servers across multiple campuses. All of it running Intel.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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servers also have chips though

Yep. And Amazon has gone as far as designing their own data center chip because Intel was selling a lackluster product for the price.

A lot of server workloads also aren't about maximizing flops/Watt or iops/Watt, but rather setting up DMA between the disk controller and the network card and having a low idle power, to get the most network throughput per Watt. A lot of the high-end computation is also about handing off data to the GPU and having a low idle power.

It took Intel way too long to get the power consumption on the Atom processors down (not ops/Watt, but total Watts), back when Atom had a chance in the phone market. (A difficult task, which is why I bought ARM Holdings stock shortly after Android came out because I realized (1) nearly everyone was going to soon have a smartphone and (2) whether iPhone or Android won, it was going to be very difficult for Intel to get competitive in the smartphone market fast enough to prevent ossification of the market around ARM. Unfortunately, SoftBank took ARM private and closed out my trade.)

Now, the same dynamic of the low-end x86 processor eating its way up the stack to threaten the high-margin mainframe and RISC servers is playing out with low-end ARM eating its way up the stack and displacing a lot of uses for the high-margin x86 server chips.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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As pithy two edged maxims go, that is dull and chipped on both sides. Recent layoffs have indiscriminately targeted talent and pay cuts deter those that are primarily driven by returns.

Not true from the anecdotes, and admittedly just anecdotes, that I've seen. Top performers get some token, Approved by Legal™, <2% cut to avoid it being classified as a low performer firing, with a larger but still proportional percent coming from middle performers, and the the vast majority of the layoff percent consisting of low performers.

Well, then I'll give you more anecdotes: I've been through, in one way or another, three layoffs in the last 7 years, and none of them were performance based.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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> Tencent, Alibaba, Baidu No longer an option if you’re american

I think they still have offices here in the US and employ Americans. Alibaba has been scaling back though. Lastly, I don't think there's any law that prevents an American from moving to China to work. https://careers.tencent.com/en-us/cityinfo.html?city=401 http://research.baidu.com/

> Lastly, I don't think there's any law that prevents an American from moving to China to work.

IANAL but yes there are now

> Restricts the ability of U.S. persons to support the development, or production, of ICs at certain PRC-located semiconductor fabrication “facilities” without a license;

See: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/about-bis/newsro...

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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When bailed out banks paid bonuses it was understandably unpopular, but there was a certain logic that retaining talent optimized performance of the remaining bank, and therefore it was ultimately in the interest of taxpayers. It seems surprising that Intel either doesn't think that retaining top talent is in the interest of shareholders, or thinks that investors aren't able to understand the investment. I would assu…

What's Intel to do if TSMC top talent costs way less than Intel's top talent? How are they to compete? Even if they cancel all the dividend.
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