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Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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When bailed out banks paid bonuses it was understandably unpopular, but there was a certain logic that retaining talent optimized performance of the remaining bank, and therefore it was ultimately in the interest of taxpayers. It seems surprising that Intel either doesn't think that retaining top talent is in the interest of shareholders, or thinks that investors aren't able to understand the investment. I would assu…

I don’t know who is invested in Intel that's betting on anything but a high risk high reward underdog story comeback. Intel already was undercompensating to the point of driving the talent out of their company to begin with. These wage cuts are a sign for investors to flee faster because management lacks coherence. Management seems to be betting on a strategy of promising the world to gain government subsidies while…

> Intel already was undercompensating to the point of driving the talent out of their company to begin with.

Yep. Intel salaries were already on the low side. To some extent they could get away with this in the past because many of their locations were outside of silicon valley in places where there really weren't a lot of (or any) other companies where you could work at the same level. For example, say you worked at their Folsom, CA or Hillsoboro, OR locations - if you were going to change to a different company that pretty much meant you were moving. But now that a larger proportion of jobs are remote that strategy for keeping salaries low isn't going to work.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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Or Intel has found cover from other tech shops to 'do the necessary' and prune the dead wood. It's about time the C level began to look at employee performance and contribution to profits or losses.

This is the opposite of trimming dead wood. Cutting pay is basically guaranteed to drive the most motivated employees away.

Good point; maybe this is the least effort way for C level to do something without doing hard work. We will see over next couple years how attrition works out.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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post #6

When bailed out banks paid bonuses it was understandably unpopular, but there was a certain logic that retaining talent optimized performance of the remaining bank, and therefore it was ultimately in the interest of taxpayers. It seems surprising that Intel either doesn't think that retaining top talent is in the interest of shareholders, or thinks that investors aren't able to understand the investment. I would assu…

I don’t know who is invested in Intel that's betting on anything but a high risk high reward underdog story comeback. Intel already was undercompensating to the point of driving the talent out of their company to begin with. These wage cuts are a sign for investors to flee faster because management lacks coherence. Management seems to be betting on a strategy of promising the world to gain government subsidies while…

If you’re predicting a major decline of globalism, then betting on a domestic firm in an extremely economically important sector that is currently extremely reliant on globalism doesn’t sound that crazy.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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Hold on to your wallets, Intel employees! The company just announced pay cuts to boost their quarterly dividend, leaving employees to bear the brunt of the impact. But don't worry, the real prize is the company culture that's toxic enough to kill creativity and innovation. Who needs those pesky innovative ideas anyway? #IntelNotSoInteligent #TimeForBetter"

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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If stock buybacks are more tax-efficient, why are dividends better?

Dividends are cleaner and easier to understand. The tax code shouldn't be encouraging companies to make things more complicated than they need to be.

I think the decisive advantage of dividends was that buybacks weren't legal until the 80s.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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This is very plausible. Dividends are silly in a world where you can achieve the same result and save everyone 20% tax by doing stock buybacks instead. It's also silly to strongly differentiate between dividend paying stocks and non dividend paying stocks as opposed to focusing on the business' cash flow, unless you're purposely avoiding dividend paying stocks because they suck from a tax perspective. Yet, dividends…

Once upon a time dividend payments were _the reason_ to hold stock in companies. Funny that tax loop holes and the borrowing-against-assets-infinite-money-cheat rendered dividends "silly". Yes this is a shit situation for Intel, but public companies should be paying dividends, IMO.

The reason to hold stock is that they return value to shareholders. Stock buy backs are functionally dividends but they are taxed more fairly. They also work better for foreign investors, and are a much cleaner and simpler mechanism than directly sending cash to shareholders.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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I don’t know who is invested in Intel that's betting on anything but a high risk high reward underdog story comeback. Intel already was undercompensating to the point of driving the talent out of their company to begin with. These wage cuts are a sign for investors to flee faster because management lacks coherence. Management seems to be betting on a strategy of promising the world to gain government subsidies while…

If you’re predicting a major decline of globalism, then betting on a domestic firm in an extremely economically important sector that is currently extremely reliant on globalism doesn’t sound that crazy.

What stops the Americans from simply stealing (or buying) TSMC or Samsung or whatever technology with how deep their fingers are into those companies and starting up fabs as needed? Even if the world "Deglobalizes" overall does that really mean that America maintaining its influence over countries like Taiwan and Japan and South Korea is not an option if the issue is important enough? America also has AMD/Nvidia for the chip design side of the business.

Intel could be valuable to America but the problem is the damned word could and it's not essential.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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post #54

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How many of those companies fall under nebulous non-compete clauses? How many of the companies have anti-poaching agreements under the table?

Sure, just move to California where non-compete agreements aren't enforced

Wouldn't the previous employer in the previous state still be able to sue you in their state (as your old employment contract specifies that any disputes will be resolved in the courts of that previous state)?

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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post #24

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I wonder if they just became terminally risk averse. The thing that made them big is pretty obvious: high-margin premium priced x86 CPUs, which is a position they were able to hold for decades due both to manufacturing excellence and being able to shepherd the standard. They simply can't do it anymore-- execution has stumbled, and the market for x86 is gradually weakening, especially in spaces outside the cut-throat,…

> I wonder if they just became terminally risk averse. > They could have been using decades of margin to build and consolidate positions in other segments of the market. That seems pretty simplistic. Optane and Larrabee were bold efforts. (Heck, so was Itanium). It's not like they didn't try throwing money and R&D at things. But that isn't always enough. > Rather than, say, taking the ARM licenses they ended up flogg…

> They made a decent effort with Xscale too, to be fair.

Sure, but they threw it away about a year before the iPhone came out.

Yeah, they did try a lot of bold efforts, but they've pretty much all been mis-steps. They always had factions that were "x86 forever" and when things weren't going great those factions would come in and say "hey, why are we working on this thing that's not our x86 bread-n-butter?" and they'd either kill it or they'd only half-heartedly keep it going until the underinvestment killed it.

Re: Intel Cuts Employee Pay to Maintain Quarterly Dividend

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post #9

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This is very plausible. Dividends are silly in a world where you can achieve the same result and save everyone 20% tax by doing stock buybacks instead. It's also silly to strongly differentiate between dividend paying stocks and non dividend paying stocks as opposed to focusing on the business' cash flow, unless you're purposely avoiding dividend paying stocks because they suck from a tax perspective. Yet, dividends…

Once upon a time dividend payments were _the reason_ to hold stock in companies. Funny that tax loop holes and the borrowing-against-assets-infinite-money-cheat rendered dividends "silly". Yes this is a shit situation for Intel, but public companies should be paying dividends, IMO.

I have a feeling that increases in foreign investors also discouraged companies from issuing dividends. For example, I pay 0% capital gains tax but have to pay the US government (where I have never stepped foot) 30% on dividends.
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