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Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

#51
Heroku could have done better. At a bare minimum offering an option to download the existing data for 1-year or convert it to a paid db would have been better options and not brought this type of despise from the community.

I still use Heroku on a daily basis and wouldn't say this has caused me to re-evaluate my decision to stay with them, but then again i'm not using anything free from them.

Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

#52

This happened to me as well: projects with paid dynos but free databases, databases got nuked. How Heroku missed this is beyond me. They managed to screw over paying customers in their broad attempt to stop freeloaders. These are good accounts with credit cards on file. Why not just autocovert me to the lowest tier paid database? FWIW I was able to get them to restore my databases. But I also had free Heroku Redis on…

I got "lucky" because I randomly checked the status page on my Heroku dashboard. It laid out which services were going to cost me after the switch date. I upgraded to the Eco tier and noticed that the DBs were still marked with a warning. So yeah, I would've been burned as well, had I not done that.

Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

#53
Yup - this happened to me too. It was wildly frustrating, but they did send few emails looking back - it was just a really small project and it wasn't on my radar.

What pissed me off most is that I WAS paying for the account. I was paying $17/mo for redis and dynos, so there was an active card on file.

Why not just start charging for the postgres db, and only delete if there's no active billing?

Heroku was already a no-go for me with new projects, I just keep old things running in there since it's too much work to migrate off. This just cements that for me.

Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

#55
Same exact thing happened to me. Out of nowhere, my (paid) app started failing. It was only after signing in did I see that the entire postgres database had been removed. No warning that this was going to happen, no ability to recover a backup. Just... deleted.

Not the end of the world for me, because 95% of the data I had in there had already been processed, but I did lose some. Complete joke of a service.

Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

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I don't really understand. You were paying for the dyno, but they deleted your instance anyway?

They deleted the database. On Heroku, databases and dynos are completely distinct entities, each with their own payment plans. When you set up a dyno and “add” a database, as most people do, it’s really easy to think that they are part of the same plan, and conclude that the “pro” or paid dyno is actually the combo of the dyno and database. They are not. I understand why they did this, databases can be shared between…

The least they could have done is disconnect the database without deleting the data, so users would at least have a chance to make the decision to either delete or start paying.

Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

#58
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assumed the value prop of being on Heroku in 2023 was purely "not having to do the pain in the butt to migrate your legacy app that you made on Heroku in the pre-2010 era" - in other words, I would be really shocked if Heroku got significant new business or any growth at all, now that it's just expensive AWS with some basic CI integration points. I also assume Salesforce only bought them as a cash generator and has…

I used Heroku’s free tier for small projects/prototype. I continue to use their cheapest offering for new projects because it saves me time. If a project grows, I can reevaluate my choice. I don’t think anything in Heroku is a pain to migrate away from. I would miss the intuitive/familiar UI.

Check out render.com, it's a solid alternative.

Re: Tell HN: Heroku deleted my database with no warning

#59

This whole debacle has been such short-term thinking from Salesforce. That after carrying these free projects for years they couldn't stomach more than 30d of data retention is just the icing on the cake. In my view this has caused yet further reputational harm for Heroku, and is going to have a long-term effect on the bottom line from paid projects. The value prop of Heroku has always been being able to sleep at nig…

Herokai here. Unfortunately we had no choice on the data retention front — once we’ve disconnected your database, we aren’t ALLOWED to hold your data for more than 30 days. That’s part of the data scrubbing protocol that we agree to when you sign up. We fought hard for 90+ days internally, but in the end couldn’t get over the issue that we’d be in violation of our contracts with customers.

That's peak idiocy and the product of lawyers taking over the assylum.
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