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Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by acuozzo » Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 9:18 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #389

acuozzo wrote: post #293

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> This is not a meme but basic physics. The issue is: How are we defining calories IN? Consider the extreme example of having a parasitic worm living in your digestive system. Is IN == [food passing mouth] or is IN == [food not being ingested by worm(s)]? Now consider "normal" digestive flora. How are we defining IN here?

All of that doesn't matter. Calories in just serves as a reference point for you to see how much you are actually eating. Then you can make changes to calories in, and see results on the scale. Sure everyone is at different efficiencies, that doesn't matter though. You are basically putting in less gas in the tank; that's going to make a hybrid and a gas hog both go for less miles than what a full tank would do.

You're not addressing the following in your analogy which can have a significant impact on CICO if IN==passes_mouth.

1. Having a hole in your gas tank (parasite(s) e.g. a tapeworm)

2. Having a modification to your fuel tank to convert ethanol into octane (non-parasitic digestive microorganisms a.k.a. "gut flora")

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by sn9 » Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

mister_mister wrote: post #496

sn9 wrote: post #493

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Would you bother reading the textbooks worth of information I've consumed first? You aren't entitled to another person's time and effort when you've decided your googling is in any way comparable to literal years of study in environments where you actually get feedback on your understanding.

> "This idea of 'a calorie in and a calorie out' when it comes to weight loss is not only antiquated, it's just wrong,"[0] Would it be possible to share sources of the claims that you're making? Instead of demanding them and not reading them when they are presented. There is no reason for those Ad hominem attacks. We can have civil disagreement. [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting...

These aren't ad hominem attacks.

I explained to you that you have fundamental misunderstandings so vast in scope that it would take several hours to explain them to you. This criticism was rooted in years of education and research that can't be compressed into a single comment.

If you google things to confirm your worldview, you will get the evidence you wish.

If you wish to see how those who successfully manipulate their body composition at will down to the pound, you would look to those populations who do so like bodybuilders and strength athletes and those who compete in weight classes.

And if you wished to have the ability to discern when an argument is irrelevant or outright wrong, to understand the most basic elements of physiology and physics and chemistry, you would put in the time to read the textbooks which are explicitly designed to convey this information to you in a comprehensive way designed for understanding rather than relying on university PR pieces.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by px43 » Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 10:23 PM UTC

newaccount74 wrote: post #464

SamPatt wrote: post #418

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That's rough. 3k-5k calorie meal? That's an entire day's worth of calories, for someone really active. Strange your body didn't adapt.

3k-5k calories is 3 big burgers with fries, or two pizzas. If GP is eating that much, they are very overweight. You don't burn that much calories during exercise, unless you are running a marathon (which I would not recommend doing 3 times a week).

3k-5k isn't a normal day, it's what happens during a binge. I would almost never do that after a workout, I would usually just writhe in pain from the hunger for the rest of the day. I rarely go over 2k calories during a normal day, but after a one hour workout, 2k calories doesn't even slow me down.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by hungryforcodes » Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 1:14 PM UTC

FatActor wrote: post #494

hungryforcodes wrote: post #473

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No its not. CICO, it's that simple. I'll get down voted by the fanatics that say it's more complicated, but it's not. Eat less and exercise more and you will loose weight. A gastric bypass is just a extreme form of this. You cannot avoid the laws of physics.

There's a reason your being down-voted, and its not a hive mind, or a conspiracy, or a personal grudge against you. That's simply what it is like to be "wrong". Saying what you said is just playing the victim card.

I'm not a victim don't worry. I have no interest in being right -- though that you think I'm playing a victim card plays into all the people that deny CICO.

But it's ok. I loose weight by exercising and eating less. Like the climate change denialists, you can lead people down the dark path if you like.

Me I'll stick with me 3kg loss of weight every month and celebrate.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by substation13 » Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

dxhdr wrote: post #378

snowwrestler wrote: post #337

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Your body will only store surplus fat long-term if you consume enough calories to maintain the surplus. Otherwise your body makes fat from the sugary sweets, but then later converts it back and burns it when you need energy. The real “myth” of calories in = calories out is that it’s possible to do it by feel. It takes a lot of work and math, like spreadsheet-level, to actually track calories in and out. So even thoug…

> The real “myth” of calories in = calories out is that it’s possible to do it by feel. It takes a lot of work and math, like spreadsheet-level, to actually track calories in and out. So even though it is physically true as a concept, it’s not a good weight management strategy for most people. The real myth is that you can track calories in and calories out. How do you measure how many calories your body absorbs from…

Smartwatch can give a reasonable approximation of calories out

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by newaccount74 » Fri, Feb 03, 2023, 10:27 PM UTC

px43 wrote: post #503

newaccount74 wrote: post #464

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3k-5k calories is 3 big burgers with fries, or two pizzas. If GP is eating that much, they are very overweight. You don't burn that much calories during exercise, unless you are running a marathon (which I would not recommend doing 3 times a week).

3k-5k isn't a normal day, it's what happens during a binge. I would almost never do that after a workout, I would usually just writhe in pain from the hunger for the rest of the day. I rarely go over 2k calories during a normal day, but after a one hour workout, 2k calories doesn't even slow me down.

Interesting, thanks for following up and sorry for making assumptions. It seems we're all different. After a one hour workout I do get hungry, but not that hungry. I wonder if it's just different between people, or if the type of workout makes a difference -- I usually run or ride a bike at medium intensity, maybe it's different if you lift weights or do something more taxing?