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Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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This seems like a way to reduce homelessness and fix the housing market in one fell swoop.

> reduce homelessness Is the homeless problem due to the cost of housing? Or is it moreso due to fentanyl?

Someone who takes fentanyl but has a home isn't homeless; while someone who does not take fentanyl but does not have a home is. So.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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post #7

Soon the peaceful suburbs of California will look like congested cities like Seoul or Mumbai with a whole bunch of slums thrown in between.

Have you ever been to Mumbai? Have you been inside their newer luxury buildings?

It has many issues, but the modern tall buildings in Mumbai are amazing and are the solution to many of their issues.

If the US would start to build new buildings like Mumbai or Singapore more Americans would realize just what luxury and space a condo could have!

Mumbai needs more walkability (through super blocks and such), better trash etiquette (more trash cans - especially for the middle classes new fascination with dogs), and it needs 1000x more livable square feet.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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post #35

> The city councils and zoning boards had zero authority to deny the projects. Zero. How did this authority come to be in the first place? How did cities magically get this authority to dictate how people should build. I imagine such laws didn’t always exist, how far back does this stuff go? Likewise how did states get authority over the cities on local matters that have to be obeyed?

It goes back to the late 1800's and Early 1900's and like many legal overreaches in the US, zoning laws were primarily spawned from a desire to discriminate on the basis of race or class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoning_in_the_United_States#Or...

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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post #83

I get not wanting to suddenly put an extra five hundred families onto a road that was only designed for a hundred single-family dwellings. What I don't get is being so nimby that you'd rather have your streets utterly full of homeless people and human waste.

I see tons of homeless surrounded by tall residential apartment buildings.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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post #35

> The city councils and zoning boards had zero authority to deny the projects. Zero. How did this authority come to be in the first place? How did cities magically get this authority to dictate how people should build. I imagine such laws didn’t always exist, how far back does this stuff go? Likewise how did states get authority over the cities on local matters that have to be obeyed?

In the US states are the ultimate unit of law (at least pre civil war). States can supersede the authority of their cities and counties with near impunity since there is no Bill of Rights between each state and its constituent parts.

That’s interesting that we have county and city governing bodies at all. It’s natural things like those bodies would unfold but to go this long with the state staying out of these affairs and stepping in when needed is pretty fascinating to see in real time like this.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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Wow that's great news! The level of bureaucratic creep that has been imposed on property owners is actually unbelievable to me. I obviously understand some regulations (you can't built a chemical processing plant in a residential neighborhood, obviously), but cities have creeped themselves into all-powerful overseers. Most cities now have the power to tell you what kind of house you can build, how you can paint it, h…

For what it's worth, most zoning is created by property owners, too. Gotta preserve their investment at the expense of our nation's growth.

> zoning is created by property owners

Supported. Individual property owners rarely have external zoning power.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, most zoning is created by property owners, too. Gotta preserve their investment at the expense of our nation's growth.

As a property owner, I've always found this to be remarkably short sighted. If the city booms, land value goes up. E.g. Manhattan. Trying to keep your small suburb a small suburb isn't maximizing investor value. edit: to responders, yes I'm aware houses have other value. My comment is in response the parent comment that specifically addresses investment value protection aspect.

A little game theory may come to play though. If the whole city booms and just my neighborhood stays single-family large lot, my price/sqft may increase drastically, and I may get better return on any improvements I do to my property based on my investment profile.

If instead my neighborhood is converted to apartments or high-density condos, I might not have the capital to take advantage of those opportunities but my single family house becomes undesirable in that zone. I am forced to sell to a developer in order to maximize return. I probably still make money, but it might be less then I could have made in the other scenario, and I am unable to use the house for my own residence up until the time I need to liquidate.

So its not necessarily illogical.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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Wow that's great news! The level of bureaucratic creep that has been imposed on property owners is actually unbelievable to me. I obviously understand some regulations (you can't built a chemical processing plant in a residential neighborhood, obviously), but cities have creeped themselves into all-powerful overseers. Most cities now have the power to tell you what kind of house you can build, how you can paint it, h…

For what it's worth, most zoning is created by property owners, too. Gotta preserve their investment at the expense of our nation's growth.

This is a great example of a financial misunderstanding. Land use restrictions reduce land value. Seriously, compare property prices per unit lot area in fancy, restricted communities (e.g. Atherton) to neighboring lots in less restricted, less fancy areas (e.g. Menlo Park or Fair Oaks, hah). Land in Atherton is worth less. Which makes sense — you can’t do as much with it.

At best, single family zoning preserves the value of a (depreciating!) house to a limited extent.

Re: Builder's Remedy goes into effect in many California cities tomorrow

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post #73

Wow that's great news! The level of bureaucratic creep that has been imposed on property owners is actually unbelievable to me. I obviously understand some regulations (you can't built a chemical processing plant in a residential neighborhood, obviously), but cities have creeped themselves into all-powerful overseers. Most cities now have the power to tell you what kind of house you can build, how you can paint it, h…

Goodbye "high-rises can't be built in SF because they cast an unsightly shadow". But also hope it doesn't mean California gets to regulate San Jose's "green belt".

isn't building high-rises in SF precarious because the ground is soft, with inadequate bedrock? are there also concerns about aesthetics, if i understand?
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