Hmm what about Canadian app developers. This seems limited to US. Do we need to organize a separate class action?
Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
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Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As citizens of a democracy, we (theoretically) get to have a say in how courts are run That’s not the point of civil cases between 2 private parties. If you want your say, call your congress person and vote for platforms which intend to introduce legislation. (Or whichever process your country uses). Not every proceeding has to be about deciding good vs evil. Things have their place.
You neglect that civil trials often result in relevant case law, which benefits society when similar actionable events occur. This is a clear benefit to society which settling cases destroys. Legislation is the start of the law, judicial interpretation is the implementation and will of it. This too applies to civil cases to which the state is a party - if you want to avoid any possibility of creating case law, bindin…
> If you want the power and will of the people to solve and enforce the solution to your civil problem, you owe the people something also.
They don't. Hence 'settled out of court'
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
How could they have accidentally sued someone?
If I had to guess, in the general sense: when you run your mouth to the point of making legal threats, the person or firm you're threatening will start actual legal proceedings themselves because they think (or know) you're full of shit. It's worth noting that that's not at all what Newegg claims happened.[0] So "accidentally" in this case is probably more accurately states as biting off more than one can chew. [0]:…
I'd add on, maybe the first patent troll to sue (the old) Newegg didn't know Newegg would fight hard, but all future patent trolls to sue were put on notice, and should have been careful which bridges they moved under.
But, maybe somebody messed up and didn't check who was on the other end of the suit.
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a risk that settling sweeps chronic, bad behavior under the rug. Which is especially bad when powerful actors can use settlement to coerce victims into hiding the truth, and enabling future bad behaviors.
It absolutely does that... but the victim(s) sign the settlement, so it seems they are not ready to die on that hill.
Settlements apply to anyone who could be a potential victim and strip them of their rights to sue, unless they opt out (this is insane to me!). So in this case the lawsuit filers settling actually does enforce bad behavior for society at large.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait, you can delete apple music? I never use it, but if I ever touch the soft button on.my right earbud it launches and plays nothing because it has no library or account.
Absolutely. Applications on macOS are just bundles in the sense they are just a special kind of directory that contains the executable and supporting files. Any application in the Applications directory will require Administrator privileges to delete, but the entire folder can be deleted if you want, including the Utilities folder and all utilities. With SIP disabled and root access, you can delete everything in macO…
No, you can’t, because they’re on a signed system volume that can’t be modified when the system is booted.
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#106Genuine question: how was Apple rarely sued in similar fashion? Not just compared to Android/Google, but also the way they bundle programs in their operating systems, compared to Microsoft browser case in the US/EU. To my untrained eyes, they're worse in almost every aspect. Is it just the boring answer "they have better lawyers", or are there things fundamentally different?
In my opinion, its based on the perception of the companies combined with the impact they have on the general consumer market. Eg 70% of phones run Android, only 27% run iOS which makes Google a much better target to go after. Same situation with personal computing, Windows was like 80% of the consumer/business market when the whole browser thing took place. MacOS was something like 5%. Also I've never really heard o…
> Also I've never really heard of someone complain about Safari compared to IE/Edge so maybe there wasn't any traction for something like that.
Well, when Apple was letting other people ship hardware with their OS, I don't think they bundled a browser or restricted their hardware partners from bundling one. Also, in those days, Safari didn't exist. I think Apple may have bundled IE 5.5 for a while, but I'm not totally sure.
People do complain about Safari being the only browser engine on Mac. But on desktop, might as well have Safari so you can download something else without using the command line; which is also what IE/Edge is good for (especially since windows's ftp command line wasn't very good and ftp is mostly dead)
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
It absolutely does that... but the victim(s) sign the settlement, so it seems they are not ready to die on that hill.
Settlements apply to anyone who could be a potential victim and strip them of their rights to sue, unless they opt out (this is insane to me!). So in this case the lawsuit filers settling actually does enforce bad behavior for society at large.
In this case it looks like anyone who made over $2m a year at least 1 year is excluded.
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
In this case, Apple was sued in a similar fashion and settled in a similar fashion. The settlement website: https://smallappdeveloperassistance.com/ Summary of the settlement: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/26/app-store-changes-devel...
The apple settlement is extremely similar to the Google one. You have to click around to see the terms Google agreed to. Funny that when apple announced the changes, they made it sound like they were being altruistic.
> Funny that when apple announced the changes, they made it sound like they were being altruistic.
Apple (and several other big tech companies) do that every time they have to give up a modicum of control or are forced to admit wrongdoing.
They will deny critical design glass in their hardware but "altruisticly" open up free repairs for a few months so their customers don't realise they're effectively just making use of their warranty when these flaws come to light. I'm pretty sure they still haven't admitted that the butterfly keyboard was a mistake.
Every time a big company pretends to care about their customers, look for lawsuits or product flaws, especially if they're in a duopoly position like Google vs Apple or Microsoft vs Apple.
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my opinion, its based on the perception of the companies combined with the impact they have on the general consumer market. Eg 70% of phones run Android, only 27% run iOS which makes Google a much better target to go after. Same situation with personal computing, Windows was like 80% of the consumer/business market when the whole browser thing took place. MacOS was something like 5%. Also I've never really heard o…
> Also I've never really heard of someone complain about Safari compared to IE/Edge so maybe there wasn't any traction for something like that. Well, when Apple was letting other people ship hardware with their OS, I don't think they bundled a browser or restricted their hardware partners from bundling one. Also, in those days, Safari didn't exist. I think Apple may have bundled IE 5.5 for a while, but I'm not totall…
Windows Explorer has had native FTP support forever now. All you need to do is point it at the Mozilla servers and you could get another browser without even opening up IE. Sure, it wasn't as fast as FileZilla, but it got the job done.
Re: Google Play Developer Antitrust Litigation
#110> A settlement has been reached with Google LLC, Google Ireland Limited, Google Commerce Limited, Google Asia Pacific Pte. Limited, and Google Payment Corp. (“Google”) in an antitrust class action lawsuit about the Google Play store. The lawsuit was brought by U.S. app developers. The lawsuit alleged that Google monopolized (or attempted to monopolize) alleged markets related to the distribution of Android OS apps an…
> Imagine someone stole something from you, that you value at 100 USD.
Now reverse it and imagine that someone accuses you of stealing something from them that they value at 100 USD. They say they have witnesses and video surveillance camera recordings to prove they're right! You would never do something like that, but considering the costs of litigations in tens of thousands, would you agree to say
> "Ok, I'll give you 100 USD but that doesn't mean I'm admitting I took it, I just don't want to deal with it"