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Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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What interests me most about the current zeitgeist is that there is an generalized, or at least spreading, feeling of emptiness. What replaces religion to fill this gap for a new generation who is not religious? (including myself) Something very clear, a philosophy of life of some kind that people can adopt to feel like they are part of something bigger, without that something being a fictional being. And without dev…

> But generally there is a feeling that we are hurtling towards catastrophe and everyone is trying to profit before it's too late. Personally, I feel that if we can get through this moment of transition without self-destruction of humanity as we know it (such as the Ukraine/China conflicts not going nuclear), we will have entered an age of our next Renaissance where we would be much closer to some sort of "Star Trek"…

> I do see this however being the bell tolling of White Anglo-Saxon heredity being removed from the throne and replaced with people with more melanin in their skin. This may not sit well with those who subscribe to racially ethnic purity ideals as what Hitler envisioned as a superior race is biologically reversed to be inferior until genetic mutations bring them back to a norm again.

I was with you until you said this. Choosing who you want to lead based on how much melanin they have in their skin is an extremely dangerous precedent. Statements like this are exactly why it's impossible to debate social issues today.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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To me, a murder rate of 94000/100000 is a genocide, and 81.7/100000 is not.

More black men are murdered in the US than white men. But whites outnumber blacks by at least 4:1. Call it whatever you like, but acknowledge that this is horrific. https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in...

Some young men face a tough choice - work at McDonalds for $8/hr, or work for a local gang selling drugs on the streets. Yes, this choice in US is forced by society upon overwhelmingly black or latino men. But it is still a choice, and not every black man born in a poor neighborhood chooses a violent life of a gang member.

I have zero sympathy for criminals who're killing each other. Have you tried comparing murder rates of innocent non-violent civilians across different races?

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Probably hard to do without religion. Dont mention europe. They have marginally larger governments.

Do we really need religion to care about other people? Perhaps we could first try to limit how much some individuals can extract from society and then redistribute that wealth to make people feel appreciated for contributing to society.

Hard to extract wealth. You can prevent Apple from making money off you by not buying their products. Also when you come for others wealth with guns don’t complain when your moral absoluteness generated out of thin air is not received well. Why don’t you demonstrate surpassing selflessness with your own wealth and time first.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I think it's hard to pick an overall narrative, because the world is complicated, memory is unreliable, and what's actually visible to regular people changes with the times. In many ways, I think the trend for the individual person's most likely experience has been sharply positive over the past century. I share your frustration with the level of unpunished grift and abuse of power in our society, but I suspect that…

Uh... there is governance. >- Nuclear Weapons The several non-nuclear proliferation treaties and disarmament talks that have reduced the number of warheads down by about 2/3? Just because there may be more "threat actors" doesn't mean that we're not safer. Look at South Africa, it was a nuclear power and gave it back. >- Genetic Engineering There are many laws in place. Some that are even hampering valid benefit (Umb…

You have vastly more faith in the ability of human society to manage these technologies than I do. The problem is not a question of whether the vast majority of actors will do the right thing the vast majority of the time. It's that very small groups of people can do incredible amounts of damage, on purpose or even just accidentally.

Given the horrors we've seen committed by large groups of people over protracted time frames, I absolutely believe horror magnified by technological leverage is inevitable.

Life is pretty great right now, but we are living in the aberration. I expect that I'll live to see the end of the equilibrium that has allowed this aberration to persist.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Innovation in narrow fields is not representive of the greater whole. Sure, generative AI is booming, but mobile phones and computers haven’t evolved practically at all in the last 5 years. The general rate of innovation can be somewhat gauged in the increase of living standards, and to my understanding there has been little the past 10 years (in the West in general).

>but mobile phones and computers haven’t evolved practically at all in the last 5 years. Lets do a fact check on this, that time span is the iphone X to iphone 14 Pro. Taking one metric, the geekbench score has gone from 2156 to 5383. So in that time phones have become more twice as fast. It released with ios 11, I wont even bother to list all the major improvements between 11 and 16 because it's a huge list. There i…

Phone benchmarks getting bigger arbitrary numbers as an example of innovation has to be a joke right? Fundamentals like the existence of mobile internet is HUGE. My phone giving more or less the same access to video, messaging, and webpages as it did in 2013 is stagnation.

What do you see as a genuine new feature?

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I say this without a political agenda but regarding the diminishing returns of consumption I think there is larger issue that is boiling: there is a huge existential crisis boiling due to the failing of consumerism and growth as the promised way to happiness and so as a goal in life. It’s paradoxical but all that progress has made it obvious that earning more to consume more is pointless because there is already so m…

> For me the passing of relatives and stoic philosophy had already set me on the path of looking outside consumption (and status) for meaning. Would you mind talking more concretely about this?

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is a good entry point. These are reflections of someone who had "everything" for its time (emperor during the golden age of the Roman Empire). It is an eye opener regarding how having things and being rich and powerful doesn't solve anything with what is the meaning of a life.

It is about about differencing what is in your control (what you think and do) and what is not (outcomes and what others think of you), doing what is right with courage and not worrying about outcomes. Ultimately because caring about the opinion of strangers who like you will soon die and be forgotten is pointless. Nobody cares if you're successful in your life, close friends and parents, while they are still there, only care about your happiness (and if not you can then confidently ignore them).

Also the book Sapiens was another eye opener for me on what is physically real and what lives in our mind collectively (nations, institutions, companies, money, relations, the name of things, ... or simply all the things other animals don't see are in our mind). Seems obvious but really working on intuitively knowing to differentiate the two really helps with identifying what problems are real and what problems are juste consequences of mental constructs, and so are self-imposed.

Don't want to spook you with spiritual bullshit but also mindfulness meditation (stoping thoughts, focusing on breathing and experiencing all senses) really works for me for experiencing all of that and happiness without any material thing or doing anything. I could be billionaire nothing I could buy could significantly really improve my life in a meaningful way. Nature will not be prettier, I will not have better friends to laugh, my coffee will not taste significantly better, ... Material thing and experiences are nice of course, I would absolutely enjoy them, but like all things they will pass and leave only insatisfaction if I crave or cling on them too much.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Things are better now than they ever have been in some regards, but yes in others we are entering the "find out" era after the "fuck around" era.

Low fuel and house prices. Not worrying about the environmental impact of humanity's excesses. Pointless wars when we all thought we'd learnt better.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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> For me the passing of relatives and stoic philosophy had already set me on the path of looking outside consumption (and status) for meaning. Would you mind talking more concretely about this?

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is a good entry point. These are reflections of someone who had "everything" for its time (emperor during the golden age of the Roman Empire). It is an eye opener regarding how having things and being rich and powerful doesn't solve anything with what is the meaning of a life. It is about about differencing what is in your control (what you think and do) and what is not (outcomes and wh…

Thanks for the reply! Don't worry, I wasn't spooked.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#830

Beyond the OP's points, some of which can be seen across history and aren't just a "now" problem, I feel that aesthetics have declined massively just these past 15 years. I remember the early web, and then the era of blogs and personal websites, the y2k and Frutiger Aero design styles I could see in ads on TV, on many websites, in many of the arts, etc. Nowadays, you can't find this except in individuals' work (e.g.…

Very similar observations about software trends and quality. Particularly the trends to remove essential functionality like one importat example in Windows 11 that you cannot put task bar on left or right side of screen and using ungrouped and fully labeled items. It's de facto unusable for my case because I need a lot of different windows with constant context switching between and was totally lost (went back Windows 10). Left/right taskbar has all items exactly the same place where opened, enought text to instantly indentify what program and what document/IP address etc. it contains, nothing moves itself and it's almost muscle memory to glance and see what program and window I need to open the current moment.

It's not the most popular use case for sure but if even 0.1% users like developers or other multitask heavy workers need similar overview on desktop workspace then that is like ignoring 10 million users. And for what? So that company can optimize away like two workers on Windows UI team for 6 months effort. Instead released broken Windows to RTM and 2 years later still essential functionality missing.

There have been problems in this area before, like Windows ME and some but those were more like broken drivers and things that were not or at least did not seem to be intentionally broken, just bad quality. Now there are more problems that are literally in the genre of f. u. user, we do what we want and optimize everything to 51% users, if you are in 49% then good luck.

Maybe need to adapt and accept that everything needs tinkering, third party tools and constant management after updates to be barely usable, still not fond of this method but what are the options any more.

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