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Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#91

All those "school of thought" are just trends. Good parenthood is about being present and giving them attention, helping them understand the world and so on. Preventing them to completely use technology is BS. Let them use them, but going back to what I've said before, you need to be present in their lives. This means if they are spending too much time with it, it's up to you to enforce limits. But don't be a rude or…

Agreeing with all that you say, except the claim that preventing technology is BS. If a tablet or smartphone is available it is almost always what kids will choose, if you don't make it available, they can do and learn better things. Sure, you cannot prevent it forever, but that's not the goal, just to postpone it until they are well-equipped to handle it. The same really with alcohol or smoking. You cannot prevent y…

Device use is where smoking was 50 years ago. Everyone does it, most people kinda know it's bad for you. It's like eating candy instead of actual meals, doesn't have the balanced macros and vitamins of proper engagement+interactions.

A kid who doesn't spend 4-6 hours a day on a phone, and has some real-world stuff to stay busy with, is going to be miles ahead of everyone else in 10 years.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#92

I’m a big fan of Positive Parenting as taught by the YouTube channel Live On Purpose TV. They seem to be Mormon but they never actually admit it. It’s just great stuff, practical advice. It strikes my partner and I as common sense which is a good sign I think. Find a school of thought that fits and then tune in for tips and relatable stories. https://youtube.com/@LiveOnPurposeTV

that's how they rope you in, ditto for scientologists. create good impressions, build a base, and then snipe a few of the biggest fans, focus on them and try to build converts. common in other propaganda and marketing approaches, too; e.g. Pepsi v Coke, or subreddits about normal days in Russia, etc.

I see what you mean but these are well educated professionals who are just choosing to practice their positive psychology outside of their religious “niche”. Personally I’ve had a ton of great secular experiences with religious people, I’m sorry if you haven’t. Mormons, Sikhis, Muslims and many people at my Catholic University. I’ve learned a lot from them.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#93
In Capital Reef National Park, there's a hike called Angel's Landing. You wind up on this ridge with a 500 foot drop on one side, and a 1000 foot drop on the other. And the ridge is not that wide - only a couple of feet in places.

Parenting is like that. You see a (metaphorical) cliff that you can fall off of. So you back away from that cliff. But you have to keep in mind that there's another cliff behind you that you can also fall off of.

Take discipline, for instance. You can ruin your children by being too strict. You can also ruin them by being too permissive. Don't avoid one kind of problem so hard that you cause the other kind of problem.

And be careful of parenting books. You will have a tendency toward one cliff and away from the other. The books that will resonate the most with you are the ones that tell you to avoid the cliff that you're already biased against. They aren't the books that you actually need. You need the ones that help you avoid the cliff that you are biased toward.

Pay attention. When something stops working, at least consider changing what you're doing.

And, be forgiving of yourself. You're going to make mistakes. Do the best you can.

What would I do differently? I would have given my children more of my time and mental energy, and been less selfishly trying to protect my mental space.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#94

All those "school of thought" are just trends. Good parenthood is about being present and giving them attention, helping them understand the world and so on. Preventing them to completely use technology is BS. Let them use them, but going back to what I've said before, you need to be present in their lives. This means if they are spending too much time with it, it's up to you to enforce limits. But don't be a rude or…

Father of three here. This is great advice, thank you.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#95

All those "school of thought" are just trends. Good parenthood is about being present and giving them attention, helping them understand the world and so on. Preventing them to completely use technology is BS. Let them use them, but going back to what I've said before, you need to be present in their lives. This means if they are spending too much time with it, it's up to you to enforce limits. But don't be a rude or…

Agree with just about everything except that preventing access to technology is BS. It’s almost certainly not and you don’t want a kid relying on a tablet for entertainment or having access to some very bad perspectives online.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#96
They say children are the impatient version of a self. I think there's a lot to that. There is nothing like the intensity of a relationship between a child and his or her parents.

And there is no blueprint. Since every relationship is unique, everyone has to learn for themselves how to act in that relationship.

The real "problem" is that children have a much more accurate view of how adults are controlled than the other way around. They recognize very early the knobs and dials they need to operate to get you to do something. Was probably built in by nature as a survival advantage right away.

We have a share of autism in our family, fortunately more along the lines of Asperger's. In my experience, communication at eye level is a basic requirement. You don't become an authority because you know better, but when the other person realizes to learn when they listen to you.

Children have to find their own rhythm, how they want what, when and how intensively. They must first experience freedom to understand that there must also be limits where it becomes dangerous. The fewer boundaries, the more meaningful they become.

And most importantly, there are no wrong choices. Every decision contributes to the development of the relationship. Everyone makes mistakes. Maybe in 10 or 20 years a mistake will turn out to be an absolute stroke of luck. As long as there is trust and love in the relationship.

I once tried to stop my daughter (she was 4) from going barefoot in the snow. My instinct was to tell her not to. My wife just grinned, opened the door and let her out. Not 30 seconds later, our daughter was wildly knocking on the door. She was cold.

So when given the choice between learning and experience, whenever possible one should choose the experience. Because that is what is remembered. So my daughter and I both had an important lesson that day.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#97
Lots of good advice so far. I'd like to add some more thoughts.

My wife and I have two biological children and then adopted a young boy (15, 11, and 3), with some fostering in-between.

We've had some extremely stubborn/strong-willed kids. At some point you will be at your wits-end, tired and out of patience. Just take a break and pick your battles. Is the argument/situation worth all of the hassle you are current going through? I don't think you should always give-in to your kids, but you don't want to keep escalating the situation over something minor.

As others have said, spend time on the floor playing with them. Read to them at bedtime.

Try not to yell and scream. One young child we had would match our energy level. If we yelled, he'd yell, and we'd get nowhere. If we stayed calm, we could usually work things out.

If they are in the middle of a meltdown, they probably aren't hearing what you are saying. Yelling at them some more isn't going to calm them down.

Keep in mind that they are learning and will push limits. They currently don't have the mental or emotional tools to deal with most things they are going through. Try to see from their point of view. They are going to see how much they can get away with. Parents need to set the boundaries and enforcement.

Be consistent.

I have many more thoughts but I had better stop here. Good luck and enjoy the process!

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#98
Mostly I look at other kids and families, identify what I like and don’t like about them, and work backwards from that.

For example I saw a family at a restaurant and the kids were watching videos on their phones with earphones in, while eating. It sickened me and I will never allow devices at the dinner table.

Another example, I’ve seen parents bring their kids to concerts and sporting events, despite being young and/or having a questionable level of interest. I liked how it seemed to broaden their horizons, and it seemed to me that it’s just as important to have kids join in your experiences where appropriate, as it is for you to join in theirs.

One other important thing I noticed is that your stance on something is only as good as the weakest link that enforces (or doesn’t enforce) something. I have in-laws that cave as soon as their are tears, and it has made it difficult to enforce things like “treats come after you eat your meal”.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#99

Lots of good advice so far. I'd like to add some more thoughts. My wife and I have two biological children and then adopted a young boy (15, 11, and 3), with some fostering in-between. We've had some extremely stubborn/strong-willed kids. At some point you will be at your wits-end, tired and out of patience. Just take a break and pick your battles. Is the argument/situation worth all of the hassle you are current goi…

A lot of great points. Mostly though I just want to say kudos on the fostering/adopting, I’d like to do the same one day.

Re: Ask HN: What's your approach to raising kids?

#100
> Did you think about what makes a good kid and work backwards?

No, I think about what makes a good adult and work backwards.

Teach them skills. Teach them how to look at the world with a critical eye. How to solve problems. How to adapt to changing situations. How to learn. How to communicate and work well with others. Teach them "why" you set the boundaries you do. Most importantly, teach them how to figure out who they are and what they want from life, and how to get there.

Obviously at 6 months, little of that applies yet. But don't get so caught up in 'parenting' that you forget that your job is to one day have them fly free and succeed without you.

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