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Sh1mmer – An exploit capable of unenrolling enterprise-managed Chromebooks

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Post by madoublet »

danaris wrote: post #44
madoublet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think everyone agrees.

So, what, you think that children should have to figure out computers for themselves? That only the geeky ones (who are likely to poke at stuff and learn that way) should actually have a clue how to use computers? Or is it that you think parents should be teaching this—which guarantees it's only going to be taught to the children of the reasonably well-off? Welcome to the 21st century, where it's widely beneficial fo…

I certainly wouldn't argue with how anyone else raises their children, but I think it has been hugely beneficial to restrict access to technology early in my kids' lives. It can be introduced as they get older without worrying about them falling behind

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Post by jamespo »

ethbr0 wrote: post #118
Retric wrote: post #35

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School should be preparing people for the “real world” after graduation. Learning to think on the computer is a useful skill and 6th graders US (11 year olds are year 7 in UK) have had half a decade of paper instruction. So making the jump at 11 is perfectly reasonable. Chromebook is simply cheap to buy and manage. The point of these is a simple tool, little different than a calculator. If Google offends you feel fre…

I believe the point is that if Google gave a @&#$ about not being evil, they could have sandboxed a shell, included basic unix tools and a compiler, and made this non-disableable. Instead, they catered to the same jackasses who featurespec'd SharePoint. Missed opportunity.

https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en-G...

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Post by runjake »

mindondrugs wrote: post #12

Is there a source for `bored kids`? I dont see any evidence of kids creating this exploit?

I don't know how to prove it, because I don't want to post screenshots or other identifying info, but I've been in communication with a couple members of the sh1mmer crew. After posting some technical info about it on Reddit, they reached out.

They claim to be in high school, and the way they converse seems to match.

They're good kids. Good hackers.

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Post by watwut »

AstixAndBelix wrote: post #66
watwut wrote: post #43

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Your first introduction to computers was at college level? Cause in my university, if you did not came with preexisting knowledge of computers, you had zero chance studying CS or anything programming related. The expectation was that you already know a lot about computer usage. And people who did not learned that before were treated like idiots.

I never said that, I only said that high school level stuff does not need a computer. Unless of course you have a class about computers.

"Nothing I learnt in high school required anything more than pen and paper." does not make exception for class about computers.

And to add to it, those who had access to computer only in class were super behind those who had free access to it.

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Post by AstixAndBelix »

watwut wrote: post #144
AstixAndBelix wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said that, I only said that high school level stuff does not need a computer. Unless of course you have a class about computers.

"Nothing I learnt in high school required anything more than pen and paper." does not make exception for class about computers. And to add to it, those who had access to computer only in class were super behind those who had free access to it.

You keep misinterpreting what I have said. Nowhere I have written that I didn't have access to a computer at home or that kids should not have a private computer. I really don't understand why you keep hammering this point.

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Post by icepat »

logifail wrote: post #135
icepat wrote: post #73

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Not saying it is not, but what I am saying is that you should be allowed whatever learning tools work best for you. A blanket ban on computers and insisting on hand written notes, is just no good. Forcing children to manage bureaucracy to get a simple laptop in class is also senseless. > In England your teacher would ask the school's special education teacher for advice In Canada, they just said I wasn't trying hard…

> I am saying is that you should be allowed whatever learning tools work best for you. A blanket ban on computers and insisting on hand written notes, is just no good. Umm, not sure whether I agree with this. Don't we expect children to learn basic mathematics without access to a calculator? This despite the fact that there are certainly children who struggle with laborious long multiplication and division. Our eldes…

I think there's a major difference between using something that removes the need for basic knowledge, as opposed to allows that knowledge to be learned in a different way. I'm not advocating not teaching people to write, I'm suggesting we do that, but then provide them the option to use a computer to assist their learning.

If you provide someone with a calculator, there's no need for them to learn how to do basic math. If you provide someone who can write with a computer, you're just altering how the information is retained, not what information is retained.

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Post by XionXIV »

bertil wrote: post #119

I stand with everyone on Hacker News in admiration for young’uns sticking it to the man and learning about command-line secret power. _However_, I’m a little more ambivalent knowing that most of them do that to look at naked ladies, presumably. Maybe create pictures of naked ladies (again: very impressed by Generative AI, with the caveat that it’s widely used for pr0n) That doesn’t feel ideal for the emotional matura…

This really is not something that I have thought about very much as they very likely have phones where they are able to view all of the same content, anyway.

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Post by ethbr0 »

jamespo wrote: post #142
ethbr0 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the point is that if Google gave a @&#$ about not being evil, they could have sandboxed a shell, included basic unix tools and a compiler, and made this non-disableable. Instead, they catered to the same jackasses who featurespec'd SharePoint. Missed opportunity.

https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en-G...

>> Important: If you use your Chromebook at work or school, you might not be able to use Linux. For more information, contact your administrator.

>> {enable developer mode}

If it were sandboxed, that's shouldn't be something it's possible for managed administrators to disable.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

psychphysic wrote: post #131
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #60

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Handwritten note taking is just better for retaining information. Why would you move to something inferior in sixth grade?

Doing calculations on paper is better for arithmetics. But a calculator is better than humans at that and at some point you need to move on from long division and box multiplication. Same here.

Sure, we have machines to do arithmetic for us. It doesn’t matter if the machine takes that over. But handwritten notes are better for learning. I’d like to keep learning.
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