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Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

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post #61

Although I like where this satire is coming from, I find the actual execution to feel a little bit too strawmannish.

If they hadn't explained the project, it would've worked better as satire. Had they steelmanned it, the explanation would've had something to add.

I actually added that explanation at the very end. I was afraid that people wouldn't get it as satire. ;-)

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#82
post #8

> This will help you to conveniently find the products that match your taste, your wallet, and your societal value. To increase your societal value, just be yourself and actively contribute as much as you can. Your efforts will not remain unrewarded. This is supposed to be dystopian etc, but don't we already have this mechanism in place in our current world? It's called money.

I think that exaggerates the purpose of the world's economy - which for almost everyone, everywhere, all of the time is about sustaining themselves and their kids, not buying products for social value (what the neighbors just got is a very old idea, but the Instagram version of showing it off is very new, and most people just want to live well without trying to impress people with bling). There's also something conta…

A lot of people place a lot more value on status than you seem to realize.

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#83

Algocracy [1] sounds somewhat better, but as any barbarism, Medieval Latin algorismus , a mangled transliteration of the Arabic al-Khwarizmi + kratos , Ancient Greek word for power, is just as wrong. The issue however is that society does not have a technology problem, it has a metaphysics problem: under, over, and for what should there be a we . Hence why all the futures we imagine through technology can barely go b…

What makes you think its mangled?

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#84
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, there's a movie? I didn't see that. What's its name?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fnsW5MBfDg It's embedded at the bottom of the page ;-)

Oh, the short. I thought you meant a full length movie. Thanks!

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#85

Algocracy [1] sounds somewhat better, but as any barbarism, Medieval Latin algorismus , a mangled transliteration of the Arabic al-Khwarizmi + kratos , Ancient Greek word for power, is just as wrong. The issue however is that society does not have a technology problem, it has a metaphysics problem: under, over, and for what should there be a we . Hence why all the futures we imagine through technology can barely go b…

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Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#86
post #8

> This will help you to conveniently find the products that match your taste, your wallet, and your societal value. To increase your societal value, just be yourself and actively contribute as much as you can. Your efforts will not remain unrewarded. This is supposed to be dystopian etc, but don't we already have this mechanism in place in our current world? It's called money.

> just be yourself and actively contribute as much as you can. Your efforts will not remain unrewarded.

That doesn't really give money. It might get you a thumbs up.

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The individualized approach is more congruent with reality, as people experience the world as individuals. Collectivism is based on a conceptual error, in personifying society, instead of recognizing it as an abstract notion. The advancement of human civilization was driven by the recognition of individual rights and the emphasis on the individual. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-pol...

If you're into eastern philosophies/religions, there is an emphasis on understanding the Ego. Personally I would rather have less rights and be less rich than to see the less-fortunate continue to suffer. A bigger house or a fancier cars doesn't persuade me more than doing something to empower the disenfranchised. Edit: Also, civilisations arose because people were able to work together and trust each other. We stopp…

A society that emphasizes the rights of the individual is a highly cooperative one, with a preponderance of altruism. A society of selfish people will never be able to maintain a social order that affords individual rights.

>>Personally I would rather have less rights and be less rich than to see the less-fortunate continue to suffer.

That's not inconsistent with believing in individual rights. If you have a right to self-autonomy, then you also have a right to give up your own rights to help the needy.

It's only if you deem your will as more worthy than that of others, and would like to use coercive means to compel others to make the same trade-off, that you no longer believe in individual rights.

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

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Algocracy [1] sounds somewhat better, but as any barbarism, Medieval Latin algorismus , a mangled transliteration of the Arabic al-Khwarizmi + kratos , Ancient Greek word for power, is just as wrong. The issue however is that society does not have a technology problem, it has a metaphysics problem: under, over, and for what should there be a we . Hence why all the futures we imagine through technology can barely go b…

What makes you think its mangled?

"mangled transliteration" is the unquoted expression used by etymonline [1]. I suppose it's mangled since Khwa becomes go without too much thinking on the Latin side. In the case of of alkali, from the Arabic al-qaliy "burnt ashes" [2], there is a bit more care. Perhaps a better transliteration would have been alquarismus, 800+ years too late [3].

[1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/algorithm#etymonline_v_8145

[2] https://www.etymonline.com/word/alkali#etymonline_v_8163

[3] Alexander of Villedieu published Carmen de Algorismo, Poem about Arithmetic, around 1200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_of_Villedieu

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#89

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lol wat. Please cite your sources, friend. All my best discussions started with, “Bro, you’re an idiot if you think…”

I'm not making a factual claim, what sources can I cite, Plato? It's up to us humans to decide whether discussions are better off taking place within a neutral/biased forum.

> I'm not making a factual claim, what sources can I cite, Plato?

You said that "Neutrality is a prerequisite for discussions". It's factual claim. Do you have a some citation/proof/data that supports your claim? I bet there are plenty papers (or even better, meta-analysis) about discussions.

> It's up to us humans to decide whether discussions are better off taking place within a neutral/biased forum.

First in previous paragraph you stated that every discussion (you didn't specified which ones) needs neutrality and now you state that discussion can take place within biased forum and we should decide which type of discussion we value more aka. one with biased or unbiased forum? Maybe start with deciding which one this two statements is true.

Also neutrality is hard or even impossible.

Re: Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms

#90
post #8

> This will help you to conveniently find the products that match your taste, your wallet, and your societal value. To increase your societal value, just be yourself and actively contribute as much as you can. Your efforts will not remain unrewarded. This is supposed to be dystopian etc, but don't we already have this mechanism in place in our current world? It's called money.

I think that exaggerates the purpose of the world's economy - which for almost everyone, everywhere, all of the time is about sustaining themselves and their kids, not buying products for social value (what the neighbors just got is a very old idea, but the Instagram version of showing it off is very new, and most people just want to live well without trying to impress people with bling). There's also something conta…

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