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Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Personally I think a lot of people's bad experiences with teams are due to mismanaged teams. Either there was no one to manage the team or the manager didn't know how to run a team. Of course you'll get lone wolfs, but there are many more in the first type. Being a good team manager is a rare skill. A well managed team works like a well oiled engine. It'll also get destroyed with little effort the same way as an engi…

Among the rarest of skills.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Nothing made my kids hate working with other people more than group projects at school. The projects were, without fail, a total disaster every single time.

Maybe this is the life-lesson the teacher wanted to teach

I'm curious to know what specific lesson 'this' refers to, but hey, if we're tossing around hypotheticals: maybe the teacher was just lazy and/or crummy.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

#53
I don't really care if I work alone or with someone on a project just so long as the project is well defined. Otherwise, I'm trying to understand what's needed and how to achieve it. And in my experience, I tend to be a bit too conservative with my technology choices that often I wind up confusing younger developers (I'm in my 40s here) which can lead to more reductions in productivity as they try to catch me up to speed on new technologies that we could or should use (I tend to be open to such things, just I'm a slow learner).

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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There's this attitude I've seen on HN that I can't stand, which is something like, "a real software engineer knows how to create business value." It pops up in discussions on this topic a lot, because teamwork is essential to business value etc. But what it always seems to mean is, "shut up and do this stuff you hate."

Everyone knows that guy who is insufferably arrogant who hates to work on teams, but there are legit reasons to hate teamwork, business value be damned. I've definitely enjoyed working on some teams more than others.

I think for me at least it boils down to whether I trust my teammates to get the job done. If I'm working with people who know what they're doing, teamwork is fine. But if I'm working with underperformers, be they clueless, lazy, whatever, teamwork is awful. Not just because I have to pick up the slack, but because I'm constantly worrying about the slack that I'm picking up. Figuring out which bits I could possibly trust to an underperforming teammate is more effort than just doing it myself.

An exception to this would be inexperienced teammates. Lack of experience is fixable, although there is something of an art to picking good projects for getting them up to speed.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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That happens very rarely. Usually, dominant neurotypical people form a clique and rate each other as top performers while exploiting the quiet productive workers. Which brings me to another topic. Why do people always focus on the individual jerk, who may just be reacting to group pressure? Most atrocities and lies in human history have been perpetrated by ideologically or tribal groups. It is the group leaders who a…

Not really, the autist jerk that claims to be top performer sometimes does a ton of work, but it's mostly useless. On the other hand, team players might produce less - in terms of pure volume, but with higher quality and with more focused direction. At the end impact of team players is higher.

I've seen that where the jerk outputs a lot of shit and fumes inside, then after trying to correct that behavior they explode and leave company. In the end the flaming pile of garbage takes a lot of time to throw out.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

#56

I disagree with the notion of a "lone sheep". By the same logic I have known a few "lone wolves" who are outrageously arrogant and disorganized and so unwilling to accept when they're wrong that nobody wonders why they're never in charge. This article sounds like it's trying to make excuses for the shortcomings of the "lone" type by making a false distinction. I'm saying this as someone who used to be considered a "l…

We are already in a culture that marginalizes lone wulfs - and that at the moment falters and fails to produce innovation and non-incremental research. Which by now risks the whole project.

Its okay to admit, that what one holds most dear, fails to accomplish what it adores the most. For all the fluffy "innovation" posters, it seems to prefer the company of tyrant "artists".

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

#57
If you work on a team then you end up talking about rather than actually doing stuff quite a lot. Often people talk to show they know stuff rather than actually producing results. Quite often it can just devolve into a battle of egos. Even if the people are nice, a lot of people are not aware they doing a lot of stuff from their ego.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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That happens very rarely. Usually, dominant neurotypical people form a clique and rate each other as top performers while exploiting the quiet productive workers. Which brings me to another topic. Why do people always focus on the individual jerk, who may just be reacting to group pressure? Most atrocities and lies in human history have been perpetrated by ideologically or tribal groups. It is the group leaders who a…

Not really, the autist jerk that claims to be top performer sometimes does a ton of work, but it's mostly useless. On the other hand, team players might produce less - in terms of pure volume, but with higher quality and with more focused direction. At the end impact of team players is higher. I've seen that where the jerk outputs a lot of shit and fumes inside, then after trying to correct that behavior they explode…

You seem to be ascribing a lot of power to one such jerk....your team should have been able to make due withoit too much influence....unless he was vital...

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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"Most inventors and engineers I’ve met are like me — they’re shy and they live in their heads. They’re almost like artists. In fact, the very best of them are artists. And artists work best alone — best outside of corporate environments, best where they can control an invention’s design without a lot of other people designing it for marketing or some other committee. I don’t believe anything really revolutionary has…

Alone or, Work in small teams 3ppl max of people you trust 100%, that includes you and them willing to call eachother out everytime, and finding out a solution together.
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