They seem to have missed my main issue with the “team player” culture: It dumbs everything down to the lowest common denominator. It’s good for the company since it avoids becoming dependent on any single individual. It’s good for the mediocre because they avoid competition / tasks they cannot do. But it’s bad for top performers (in terms of ability, not speed) because they will be stuck in the drudgery, doing work that anybody can do.
Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)
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Why the need to marginalise people with autism? Just remove that word and your comment will be improved.
I think it's an important detail because it shows the writer realizes the autistic "jerk" actually IS smarter, and they're just mad about it.
Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)
#43Because sometimes you just move faster or think quicker than those around you. You may have different methods which suit your mentality which arent going to be ones that your team members can employ.
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Nothing made my kids hate working with other people more than group projects at school. The projects were, without fail, a total disaster every single time.
Maybe this is the life-lesson the teacher wanted to teach
Deliberately setting someone up to fail while telling them they are going to be responsible for the failure you planned is not a good teaching method.
If you want to teach people how to cope with bad teammates, you should actually provide techniques and strategies to deal with that.
None of my group projects in school came with any instructions on how to work in groups. Surprisingly, I didn’t learn anything other than resentment and distrust.
I had to learn that skill on the job, without any guidance.
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> grew out of it by speaking my mind more often Could you expand on how this helped you grow out of being a lone wolf? Was it because you just weren't participating in group discussion before?
It's not just that I spoke my mind more often, but that I felt comfortable doing it. I used to seldom speak, but when I did I'd let out all the stuff I was holding back (sometimes going back weeks or months of previous discussions!). I either tended to be right about some stuff but too late for it to make a difference anymore, or wrong about some stuff and ignored. This only made my arrogance even worse thinking ever…
Thanks for the explanation. Congratulations on figuring that out. I have similar tendencies to your old self and it definitely holds me back. I'm working on it!
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As does a neurotypical person with enough sense not to say such a thing, yet harbors the same opinion.
Sure, but I'd much rather work with that person. External interfaces matter much more than internal implementation details.
Not when you still know how they feel and yet they put out a fake fascade. People are leakier abstractions than they think.
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Why the need to marginalise people with autism? Just remove that word and your comment will be improved.
are they typically team players or high performers?
I wouldn't know, but it seems as though the commenter is happy to work with the "I'm surrounded by IDIOTS" jerks, but not if they have autism.
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#49Self-selecting teams FTW.
I'm fine working solo, paired, group, whatever.
Being on a high functioning team is just the best thing ever. Like how I imagine a championship winning sportsball team must feel.
My two recurring problems have been:
- The need to play catch with others who can not or will not throw the ball back.
This has taken every form. Too junior, too senior, gatekeeper, saboteur, communications barrier, maverick, Mr (or Mrs) Magoo, ad nauseum.
- Not having any one to "rubber duck" with.
I'll eventually figure out most things on my own. But it's oh so much nicer to have a buddy.
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Alas, miscommunication and cross purposes is the default.
Getting to Just Right (Goldilocks) is rare, has always required huge effort, and is short-lived (often mooting the effort). (Cite: "forming, storming, norming, performing," where the chaotic PHBs trigger another reorg, like cosmic rays randomizing memory bits.)
And that's life. Work, marriage, parents, kids, teachers, volunteering, riding the bus, and so forth.
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Why the need to marginalise people with autism? Just remove that word and your comment will be improved.
I think it's an important detail because it shows the writer realizes the autistic "jerk" actually IS smarter, and they're just mad about it.
Both viewpoints are extreme yet have some basis in reality. I've worked with numerous people on the spectrum and my take is the energies and effort missing in social interactions keeps them better focused on concrete execution. They are not jerks but often loosely anticipated as such, at least until you put in significant effort to understand their interactions. This is typically one-sided and I think that is unfair.