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Sh1mmer – An exploit capable of unenrolling enterprise-managed Chromebooks

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Post by ceejayoz »

mschuster91 wrote: post #68
ceejayoz wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We turned out generally fine despite having active trade networks at school for everything... warez, games, movies no matter their rating, copious amounts of porn, shocker sites, whatnot. Since then, though, multi-hundred-billion dollar corporations have arisen that employ vast quantities of employees (including psychologists) tasked with obtaining and keeping your attention on their content and the surrounding adv…

Yeah but "parental control" crap doesn't deal with any of that. It's all about preventing porn and LGBT content.

Modern "parental control" is highly customizable. We use it in our household to limit things like Reddit during homework time, set per-game limits so no one's sitting on Bejeweled for eight hours, etc. Not one of our restrictions covers LBGTQ+ content.

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Post by icepat »

Symbiote wrote: post #50
icepat wrote: post #16

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Active listening is something I'm completely incapable of doing in a traditional way. When I have an activity in front of me, for example code or an interesting task, I listen better and am more engaged. When I was younger, I had a specific teacher who'd assume I was not paying attention, and ask me to answer often. Much to his surprise, I was fully engaged and able to respond. It's just a different learning style. I…

Your case is very unusual, and should be dealt with separately. It's not at all reasonable to make generalizations to all children from a single neurodivergent child. (In England your teacher would ask the school's special education teacher for advice. You might end up with a laptop, or something else that helps, essentially on prescription from an educational psychologist. Class teachers would be given guidance on w…

Not saying it is not, but what I am saying is that you should be allowed whatever learning tools work best for you. A blanket ban on computers and insisting on hand written notes, is just no good. Forcing children to manage bureaucracy to get a simple laptop in class is also senseless.

> In England your teacher would ask the school's special education teacher for advice

In Canada, they just said I wasn't trying hard enough. I can't count the number of times people fought me tooth and nail to prevent me learning in the way that suited me best. You would like to assume that teachers and school administrators are looking for the best way to educate people, but sadly that's not always the case. It often breaks down into a bureaucracy of "well, you don't have xyz condition, and we only allow this for xyz condition, so you don't get it." Another one I got was "we won't let you have a laptop because we're liable if it gets broken".

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Post by gibspaulding »

I thought this was fairly doable for some time. Surprised it hasn't been an issue before.

I used to do tech support for a school district with some ~5000 Chromebooks in circulation and we did all of our repairs in house. This meant I spent the first few weeks of COVID bringing home boxes of damaged devices and spare parts and getting them back into working order. Occasionally I would have to do a board swap for a bad power jack or something which meant you would have to overwrite the serial number on the new board to match the old one so that it would join Google admin as one of our devices. If I remember right the process would have worked the other way around too, to change the serial number to one we didn't control.

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Post by ElevenLathe »

moron4hire wrote: post #64
Retric wrote: post #35

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School should be preparing people for the “real world” after graduation. Learning to think on the computer is a useful skill and 6th graders US (11 year olds are year 7 in UK) have had half a decade of paper instruction. So making the jump at 11 is perfectly reasonable. Chromebook is simply cheap to buy and manage. The point of these is a simple tool, little different than a calculator. If Google offends you feel fre…

I think this vastly overestimates the difficulty in learning how to use a computer. How is it that entire generations of people were able to get through school with no computer classes whatsoever and still able to invent computers, the internet, the very software you're using to talk with us right now? Decades of research in interface design have gone into making computers easy to use, user friendly, and accessible.…

I think the valuable part would be the soft skills of thinking and working while having 12 things blinking and beeping for attention a keystroke away. This is how I have to work -- need to be available on Slack, watch out for urgent email, keep an eye on some dashboard for a service that is acting strange but not in a way that anyone is calling an incident yet, watch for Outlook reminders of meetings coming up). You're right that pencil and notebook is probably a better way to /retain information/ but that might need to be a separate kind of lesson from one about /existing in a 21st century information environment/.

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Post by dr-detroit »

icepat wrote: post #7
Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

Why? As a student, giving me access to a laptop improved my ability to get things done by orders of magnitude. I always struggled with messy writing, and being distracted easily. Having a laptop let me pay better attention, because I could work on something and passively listen to the class. My notes were also legible, meaning I could take meaningful notes for the first time ever. I could also combine photos of the c…

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Post by 31337Logic »

blackhaz wrote: post #19
Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

Getting Chromebooks to schools is the single most horrific act we could have done to our education system. This act undermines the very future of our nations. A big proportion of all the classwork and homework is now done on the screen. There is plenty of evidence that handwriting boosts cognitive processes - thinking on paper is something that the next generation will mostly lack. Rich and powerful are all aware of…

Thank you for this.

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Post by PascLeRasc »

blackhaz wrote: post #19
Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

Getting Chromebooks to schools is the single most horrific act we could have done to our education system. This act undermines the very future of our nations. A big proportion of all the classwork and homework is now done on the screen. There is plenty of evidence that handwriting boosts cognitive processes - thinking on paper is something that the next generation will mostly lack. Rich and powerful are all aware of…

I think between school shootings and failing to do anything about Covid there's worse things happening to kids.
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