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Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

BurningFrog wrote: post #18
cauch wrote: post #13

There is a small methodology mistake. They ask people to self-evaluate and then call the people who evaluate themselves better than others as "top performers" and the people who evaluate themselves as not better than others as "poor performers". But self-evaluation is really bad to show how someone will perform, especially if you focus on a group who has difficulties (or bad past experience) with team work and social…

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Why the need to marginalise people with autism? Just remove that word and your comment will be improved.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by BizarreByte »

BurningFrog wrote: post #18
cauch wrote: post #13

There is a small methodology mistake. They ask people to self-evaluate and then call the people who evaluate themselves better than others as "top performers" and the people who evaluate themselves as not better than others as "poor performers". But self-evaluation is really bad to show how someone will perform, especially if you focus on a group who has difficulties (or bad past experience) with team work and social…

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I hold that opinion, but I also acknowledge I’m one of them. Most people, myself included, are not very smart and are generally insufferable. I don’t like other people and I never really have.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by sublinear »

madamelic wrote: post #24
sublinear wrote: post #7

I disagree with the notion of a "lone sheep". By the same logic I have known a few "lone wolves" who are outrageously arrogant and disorganized and so unwilling to accept when they're wrong that nobody wonders why they're never in charge. This article sounds like it's trying to make excuses for the shortcomings of the "lone" type by making a false distinction. I'm saying this as someone who used to be considered a "l…

Sheep dog > Lone wolf. - Understands the value of the pack - Able to go off on a solo project if needed and do _everything_ associated - Isn't a jerk - Cares if people are blocked regardless of project and willing to help out

These are all fine criteria if...

> "... projects [aren't] always on fire and due yesterday."

;)

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by xwdv »

I find that some lone wolves are really just speed demons who are too impatient to wait for an entire team to get on the same page, so they blaze through a bunch of work quickly while answering to no one or consulting anyone’s opinion. In the end, they produce something fast that would have taken the team a lot longer to do as a unit.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by mlprt »

BurningFrog wrote: post #18
cauch wrote: post #13

There is a small methodology mistake. They ask people to self-evaluate and then call the people who evaluate themselves better than others as "top performers" and the people who evaluate themselves as not better than others as "poor performers". But self-evaluation is really bad to show how someone will perform, especially if you focus on a group who has difficulties (or bad past experience) with team work and social…

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That happens very rarely. Usually, dominant neurotypical people form a clique and rate each other as top performers while exploiting the quiet productive workers.

Which brings me to another topic. Why do people always focus on the individual jerk, who may just be reacting to group pressure? Most atrocities and lies in human history have been perpetrated by ideologically or tribal groups. It is the group leaders who are dangerous, not a sigma male who is ignored anyway.

(The answer to the question is of course that the group leaders control the narrative and communication infrastructure.)

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by ranting-moth »

Personally I think a lot of people's bad experiences with teams are due to mismanaged teams. Either there was no one to manage the team or the manager didn't know how to run a team. Of course you'll get lone wolfs, but there are many more in the first type.

Being a good team manager is a rare skill. A well managed team works like a well oiled engine. It'll also get destroyed with little effort the same way as an engine with sand in the engine oil*.

But the remedy is not the same. A mechanic will fix/replace the engine, but the team will get cancer and wilt over time.

Fox example, if there's a person that doesn't fit with the team, they need to go - they're the sand in the engine oil. Spotting that person isn't always trivial.

* That engine doesn't have an oil filter.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by BurningFrog »

ianleeclark wrote: post #30
BurningFrog wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As does a neurotypical person with enough sense not to say such a thing, yet harbors the same opinion.

Sure, but I'd much rather work with that person.

External interfaces matter much more than internal implementation details.

Re: Lone Wolves: Why do some people hate teamwork? (2017)

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Post by scrivna »

dbrueck wrote: post #15
wiz21c wrote: post #11

My kids work in team projects at school. The issue is that many other pupils just want to work the least possible and procrastinate as much as possible. This drives my kids crazy because they want to have good scores and they much prefer having a nice evening playing games or watching TV instead of rushing for late homework. (note to other parents: my kids do procrastinate, of course, but not as much as the average :…

Nothing made my kids hate working with other people more than group projects at school. The projects were, without fail, a total disaster every single time.

Maybe this is the life-lesson the teacher wanted to teach
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