Is there a source for `bored kids`? I dont see any evidence of kids creating this exploit?
We're all someones kid
Lol
Sh1mmer – An exploit capable of unenrolling enterprise-managed Chromebooks
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#43I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
I concur. Nothing I learnt in high school required anything more than pen and paper.But my EE degree? I would lie if I said a laptop with Matlab did not help me immensely to learn concepts
Your first introduction to computers was at college level? Cause in my university, if you did not came with preexisting knowledge of computers, you had zero chance studying CS or anything programming related.
The expectation was that you already know a lot about computer usage. And people who did not learned that before were treated like idiots.
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Why? I used a laptop full time in school from 16-18 (and then at university too) and found it much more productive. My notes were better and more usable. For younger children I think everyone agrees that it's important to be teaching computer skills, and that requires computers. Having rooms of desktop computers is arguably outdated, and a poor use of space, so many schools have switched to trolleys of shared laptops…
I don't think everyone agrees.
So, what, you think that children should have to figure out computers for themselves? That only the geeky ones (who are likely to poke at stuff and learn that way) should actually have a clue how to use computers?
Or is it that you think parents should be teaching this—which guarantees it's only going to be taught to the children of the reasonably well-off?
Welcome to the 21st century, where it's widely beneficial for everyone to know how to use computers at least at a basic level, and skills like "how to use simple Excel formulas" are often enough on their own to get people decent-paying office jobs. Because the people already working there were never taught how to use computers in any systematic way beyond, maybe, "keyboarding classes".
Where many governments require forms of various types to be submitted online, and only put out many kinds of information on their websites.
Where it's nearly a guarantee that people are going to be using social media, no matter how much you try to restrict them, so it's a damn good idea to teach them how to recognize misinformation and other kinds of manipulation (not strictly a computer skill, but definitely related).
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? I used a laptop full time in school from 16-18 (and then at university too) and found it much more productive. My notes were better and more usable. For younger children I think everyone agrees that it's important to be teaching computer skills, and that requires computers. Having rooms of desktop computers is arguably outdated, and a poor use of space, so many schools have switched to trolleys of shared laptops…
I don't think everyone agrees.
Most people that disagree (at least the ones that I talked with) assume that the computer will REPLACE traditional teaching: Books, drawing, pencil, paper.
Nevertheless promoters don't generally want to get rid of traditional teaching tools. Just add digital tools as part of the learning experience.
And contrary to most popular believe, kids don't want to be all the time with the computers.
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#46I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
I'm with you, here. And I'm a seasoned IT Consultant of almost 3 decades. I've seen (and argued for) "both sides" of this argument and I now believe the net gains of giving each student a monetized ad-machine (aka Chromebook) are FAR outweighed by the net losses. I'm certainly not the first or only one advocating this, of course, and there is a large and ever-growing body of evidence to support the claim that Chromebooks specifically (i.e. not just a dumb laptop, disconnected from the Internet and social media) are hugely detrimental to students development, both academically and socially. Don't be lazy or in denial, a simple DuckDuckGo or Wikipedia search will provide many enlightening studies for you to read. Pick your favorite. For those in a rush, you can't go wrong by starting with the Your Undivided Attention podcast. Good luck, and here's to a balanced discussion that fairly represents BOTH sides of the story.
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#47I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
What do you suggest instead? Write on stone tablets?
When I was in high school the district bought 1,000s of PalmPilots and we had to learn Graffiti. :D
(Thankfully it was just a short lived fad and they all gathered dust in storage fairly quickly.)
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Why? As a student, giving me access to a laptop improved my ability to get things done by orders of magnitude. I always struggled with messy writing, and being distracted easily. Having a laptop let me pay better attention, because I could work on something and passively listen to the class. My notes were also legible, meaning I could take meaningful notes for the first time ever. I could also combine photos of the c…
> I could work on something and passively listen to the class (This is a genuine question) What were the benefits of being in class if you're basically doing something else and not actively listening? Compared with, say, sitting in the library (or indeed at home), working on the same thing, without the potential distraction of what the rest of your class was doing?
I'm not the person you responded to, but when I was in school, if a class didn't captivate me, it wasn't going to be any better if I "paid more attention". It was either I'm listening and actively learning, or I'm bored.
We didn't have laptops back then. Now when I do learn, with the benefit of experience and technology, it's a mix of videos + active research / googling. And I often enough just leave educational videos running in the background while doing something a little more mindless if I'm not in the mood to fully pay attention.
People learn differently. I want to stress this: There really are different types of learners, and applying one method to everybody means some people lose out. That said (and this is completely anecdotal), the smartest hands-on "easily distracted" learners I know run massive circles all the meticulous book learners I know.
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#49I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
Getting Chromebooks to schools is the single most horrific act we could have done to our education system. This act undermines the very future of our nations. A big proportion of all the classwork and homework is now done on the screen. There is plenty of evidence that handwriting boosts cognitive processes - thinking on paper is something that the next generation will mostly lack. Rich and powerful are all aware of…
11 years old? Lucky you. My kid got the thing foisted on him at FIVE.
And even if all of those issues could be resolved, like somehow making a Linux tablet with handwriting recognition and only open-source software (or whatever, I don't actually think it would be anywhere close to sufficient)...
The educational software is just garbage. Math and reading games that allow way too much guessing. "Science" games that basically amount to a skinned version of Super Mario Bros, literally still just collecting coins, so you can then buy pictures of animals in the game. But it's got that Wild Kratz licensing! Don't forget to purchase the books!
And it's the same thing, over and over again.
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> I could work on something and passively listen to the class (This is a genuine question) What were the benefits of being in class if you're basically doing something else and not actively listening? Compared with, say, sitting in the library (or indeed at home), working on the same thing, without the potential distraction of what the rest of your class was doing?
Active listening is something I'm completely incapable of doing in a traditional way. When I have an activity in front of me, for example code or an interesting task, I listen better and am more engaged. When I was younger, I had a specific teacher who'd assume I was not paying attention, and ask me to answer often. Much to his surprise, I was fully engaged and able to respond. It's just a different learning style. I…
Your case is very unusual, and should be dealt with separately. It's not at all reasonable to make generalizations to all children from a single neurodivergent child.
(In England your teacher would ask the school's special education teacher for advice. You might end up with a laptop, or something else that helps, essentially on prescription from an educational psychologist. Class teachers would be given guidance on when and how you can or should use it.)