I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
What do you suggest instead? Write on stone tablets?
False dichotomy. Nice try.
Sh1mmer – An exploit capable of unenrolling enterprise-managed Chromebooks
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#32I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
To the contrary: Laptops and other forms of digital devices can be used for way better educational experience. Classes like maths, chemistry or physics can greatly benefit from interactive elements such as graphs or simulations. Besides, as our societies transform more and more into service sector economies based on IT services and media transforms as well (with the shift from traditional gatekeeper TV/radio/newspape…
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I could work on something and passively listen to the class (This is a genuine question) What were the benefits of being in class if you're basically doing something else and not actively listening? Compared with, say, sitting in the library (or indeed at home), working on the same thing, without the potential distraction of what the rest of your class was doing?
Active listening is something I'm completely incapable of doing in a traditional way. When I have an activity in front of me, for example code or an interesting task, I listen better and am more engaged. When I was younger, I had a specific teacher who'd assume I was not paying attention, and ask me to answer often. Much to his surprise, I was fully engaged and able to respond. It's just a different learning style. I…
> I had a specific teacher who'd assume I was not paying attention, and ask me to answer often. Much to his surprise, I was fully engaged and able to respond
In school I spent many (un)happy hours gazing out of the windows of the class due to sheer boredom.
Q: Are you able to comment on how the pace of learning is for you? Too slow / just right / too fast?
Once I got to University my learning style quickly evolved into "take notes on everything the lecturer said", with pen and paper. Hard to tune out of a lecture when you are literally writing everything down, at speed.
For me at least it was definitely a most effective way of learning (and then revising). Writing stuff out, over and over and over again.
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#34I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
Getting Chromebooks to schools is the single most horrific act we could have done to our education system. This act undermines the very future of our nations. A big proportion of all the classwork and homework is now done on the screen. There is plenty of evidence that handwriting boosts cognitive processes - thinking on paper is something that the next generation will mostly lack. Rich and powerful are all aware of…
> It is, at least with our school, completely impossible to implement parental controls on enrolled Chromebooks, so you have to trust the school's policy which is, in many cases, inadequate.
Parental control is bullcrap anyway - and at least for parents of my age, complete hypocrisy to boot. We turned out generally fine despite having active trade networks at school for everything... warez, games, movies no matter their rating, copious amounts of porn, shocker sites, whatnot. I remember the debates about how shooter games would turn us all into killers after Columbine (in the US) and Erfurt (2002)/Emsdetten (2006)/Winnenden (2009) in Germany, and yet... at least German kids grew up perfectly normal, and amok incidents remain a rarity [1] in Germany.
The only ones pushing for "parental control" are religious fundamentalist parents not realizing just how backwards they are. And for the Americans: ffs instead of blaming shooter games for mass shootings, maybe invest into mental health services, bullying prevention and actual gun control. Your society has a massive problem with violence, but shooter games are not a part of it at all.
[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Amokl%C3%A4ufen_an_B...
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#35I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
Getting Chromebooks to schools is the single most horrific act we could have done to our education system. This act undermines the very future of our nations. A big proportion of all the classwork and homework is now done on the screen. There is plenty of evidence that handwriting boosts cognitive processes - thinking on paper is something that the next generation will mostly lack. Rich and powerful are all aware of…
School should be preparing people for the “real world” after graduation.
Learning to think on the computer is a useful skill and 6th graders US (11 year olds are year 7 in UK) have had half a decade of paper instruction. So making the jump at 11 is perfectly reasonable.
Chromebook is simply cheap to buy and manage. The point of these is a simple tool, little different than a calculator. If Google offends you feel free to sell Linux laptops, just understand schools don’t want to spend anything managing computers.
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#36I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
Sorry to dash your hopes but you do, in fact, sound like a Luddite. Students have been using laptops in schools for nearly 20 years.
> Students have been using laptops in schools for nearly 20 years.
Typically, in a high school / college context, where study habits have already formed to some extent. My kids' middle school gave everyone a laptop, and it's been constant whack-a-mole for the teachers (YouTube, Fortnite, Reddit, etc.). I wish they'd get rid of them.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you suggest instead? Write on stone tablets?
paper, perhaps?
Reeking purple worksheets fresh off the mimeograph machine, just like God intended. And make the little brats write in cursive.
We also have a golden opportunity to teach them where "cut" and "paste" on their parents' computers come from, using real scissors and actual nasty, lumpy paste.
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#38I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...
Why? I used a laptop full time in school from 16-18 (and then at university too) and found it much more productive. My notes were better and more usable. For younger children I think everyone agrees that it's important to be teaching computer skills, and that requires computers. Having rooms of desktop computers is arguably outdated, and a poor use of space, so many schools have switched to trolleys of shared laptops…
I have been using computers since I'm 7-8, and I used it to play games, take notes, study, etc.
Yes, teaching computer skills is important, but crippling their writing and adding a tool into the classroom which can steal their focus faster than anything else is not a productive way to do it.
Have classes which needs computers, and classes which ban them during class hours. Being able to focus on a piece of paper with a pen or pencil is equally important.
Writing improves cognitive skills, thinking, retention, and more. I still design software on paper prior to implementing it, and I can see the whole thing much clearer and better.
Every person should have computer skills and access to a computer, yes, but they should be able to work without them, too.
Otherwise, we'll also realize The Foundation series from Asimov. We'll lose the essence which allows us to create and understand these things in the first place.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Active listening is something I'm completely incapable of doing in a traditional way. When I have an activity in front of me, for example code or an interesting task, I listen better and am more engaged. When I was younger, I had a specific teacher who'd assume I was not paying attention, and ask me to answer often. Much to his surprise, I was fully engaged and able to respond. It's just a different learning style. I…
> I had a specific teacher who'd assume I was not paying attention, and ask me to answer often. Much to his surprise, I was fully engaged and able to respond In school I spent many (un)happy hours gazing out of the windows of the class due to sheer boredom. Q: Are you able to comment on how the pace of learning is for you? Too slow / just right / too fast? Once I got to University my learning style quickly evolved in…
> Hard to tune out of a lecture when you are literally writing everything down, at speed.
The issue here is what I mentioned above: illegible handwriting. The more pressure I am under, the higher my stress levels, the harder is becomes to take clear notes. In these situations I would end up with incomplete, illegible, useless, scrawl on pages.
> Are you able to comment on how the pace of learning is for you? Too slow / just right / too fast?
All over the map, really. The lack of consistent tempo in most lectures was the issue. If the class was too slow: zoning out, forgetting to take down critical parts. If the class was too quick: overwhelmed, unable to take clear usable notes. The duration of a class was always too long as well, but that's not just a me issue. Empirically, there's a infinite amount of time that someone can stay actively engaged. I don't recall exactly how long, but I do remember all university lectures lasted very generously longer than that.
My highest scores in class were always courses where there was an excellent textbook (or where I had found a supplemental textbook), or where I could effectively teach myself the material. IE: philosophy courses where, instead of attending, I could just read the selected writer's works. One of my highest marks was in a class I never once attended.
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#40Is there a source for `bored kids`? I dont see any evidence of kids creating this exploit?
We're all someones kid