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Sh1mmer – An exploit capable of unenrolling enterprise-managed Chromebooks

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Post by jksk61 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #11
1317 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

paper, perhaps?

To what end? In a professional environment, the last time I wrote on paper is when my computer was in for maintenance. That's like having students use hand-slates in the era of paper.

There are different reason to favour handwriting: 1. Development coordiantion eye-hand; 2. Computers can go to maintenance as you said; 3. Creativity, how many times did you doodle on a white word file? 4. They'll have plenty of times in uni/job to stare blankly at a LCD screen 5. Paper is less tiresome on eyes.

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Post by AstixAndBelix »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

I concur. Nothing I learnt in high school required anything more than pen and paper.But my EE degree? I would lie if I said a laptop with Matlab did not help me immensely to learn concepts

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Post by dehugger »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

Sorry to dash your hopes but you do, in fact, sound like a Luddite.

Students have been using laptops in schools for nearly 20 years.

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Post by joxel »

madoublet wrote: post #17
danpalmer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I used a laptop full time in school from 16-18 (and then at university too) and found it much more productive. My notes were better and more usable. For younger children I think everyone agrees that it's important to be teaching computer skills, and that requires computers. Having rooms of desktop computers is arguably outdated, and a poor use of space, so many schools have switched to trolleys of shared laptops…

I don't think everyone agrees.

The answer is to obviously use both. Anyone advocating for paper only or computer only are dumb ideologues at best.

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Post by mschuster91 »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

To the contrary: Laptops and other forms of digital devices can be used for way better educational experience. Classes like maths, chemistry or physics can greatly benefit from interactive elements such as graphs or simulations.

Besides, as our societies transform more and more into service sector economies based on IT services and media transforms as well (with the shift from traditional gatekeeper TV/radio/newspapers to Youtube/podcasts/a ton of services), it is imperative that children from a young age learn how to properly interact with computers and digital society. We're already seeing kids unable to judge the quality of online media sources, for example.

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Post by fruit2020 »

madoublet wrote: post #17
danpalmer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I used a laptop full time in school from 16-18 (and then at university too) and found it much more productive. My notes were better and more usable. For younger children I think everyone agrees that it's important to be teaching computer skills, and that requires computers. Having rooms of desktop computers is arguably outdated, and a poor use of space, so many schools have switched to trolleys of shared laptops…

I don't think everyone agrees.

My daughter is 8 and already has a chromebook at school. I freaked out when she started to search stuff on Google at home on the ipad. Need to look into parental controls.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

Yes, you do sound like a Luddite. Because computers is the integral part of the modern society, like it or not.

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Post by stuaxo »

blackhaz wrote: post #19
Overtonwindow wrote: post #4

I hope I don't sound like a Luddite, but I don't think kids should have chrome books, or any type of laptops in school...

Getting Chromebooks to schools is the single most horrific act we could have done to our education system. This act undermines the very future of our nations. A big proportion of all the classwork and homework is now done on the screen. There is plenty of evidence that handwriting boosts cognitive processes - thinking on paper is something that the next generation will mostly lack. Rich and powerful are all aware of…

My 4 year old came back with a Windows laptop during Covid, but over the last year they have stopped using them, they only use the desktops they have in ICT.

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Post by shadowgovt »

citizenkeen wrote: post #18
shadowgovt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To what end? In a professional environment, the last time I wrote on paper is when my computer was in for maintenance. That's like having students use hand-slates in the era of paper.

Writing notes by hand has been proven to increase understanding and retention. Unless we’re giving kids OCR tablets, they’re learning less taking notes on a keyboard.

I believe this train of thought jumped to a conclusion not supported by the evidence: does taking notes on computer not increase understanding and retention?

Because anecdotally: I retain more when I take notes on laptop than if I took no notes. I also retain more when I take notes on laptop than if I took notes on paper because my typing speed can keep up with the topic and my writing speed cannot.

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