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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by e1g »

jacooper wrote: post #238
fweimer wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Red Hat Enterprise Linux supports in-place upgrades: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp... https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp... Here “supports” means “does not result in itself in a loss of support coverage”. It's been possible to do it in an unsupported fashion before.

Not rhel clones though, which are what most small scale people are going to use. Also still no auto kernal updates.

RHEL is free for up to 15 instances (including prod), and 9.1 has pleasantly current packages. It’s a solid choice for startups and small teams who need to minimize time spent on infrastructure.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by nickjj »

riku_iki wrote: post #245
nickjj wrote: post #202

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I auto-updated everything regularly except for kernel updates. I replied to another comment that has more details.

what is justification to update everything except kernel besides impressive uptime?

I've never encountered a bug in any of the web apps that I developed where a kernel update solved it. I know there's other reasons to update such as addressing security vulnerabilities, but I've also never encountered or personally heard of someone having their system compromised by a kernel vulnerability.

Of course that doesn't mean it can't happen, but for single server deploys I do value things like uptime. Rebooting is at least a 30-90 second downtime event by the time the box comes back up and your services start up again. There's also a risk that something might not play nice with the update and now you're stuck with potential downtime while under pressure until you revert the change. Hopefully that wouldn't happen with a security patch level update but it's a risk at the end of the day.

Basically for the workloads I run I'm confident enough in having user land system packages updated automatically and rebuilding Docker images to have the most up to date security patches which is where my apps are running anyways.

For bigger updates (distro versions, kernel updates, etc.) I'm more in favor of spinning up a new server, re-deploying everything there, switching DNS over to it and shutting down the old server. In my opinion it's more safe since your original server is never modified and your site is always up.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by npteljes »

morsch wrote: post #33
discreditable wrote: post #16

Look no further than Debian. After switching from Ubuntu I started to understand why people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty.

Ok, but which release channel? And can I convert an Ubuntu into a Debian by reinstalling it while keeping my home directory?

Right now I run testing as my gaming Linux, and I like that the packages are not old. But there's also a KDE bug that occurs daily, and it's a bit annoying.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by npteljes »

hanniabu wrote: post #9
LinuxBender wrote: post #2

If you are comfortable with Ubuntu then perhaps Debian [1], the OS that Ubuntu was forked from would feel natural? [1] - https://www.debian.org/

Wow, if there's one thing open source projects are known for, it's dated websites

Yes, this is part of the open source culture. It's a matter of resource allocation, and a bit of signalling. If you'd like a trendy corporate website, take a look at a distro that's backed by a corporation too, like Ubuntu, or Red Hat.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by npteljes »

steelframe wrote: post #129
hanniabu wrote: post #51

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More pleasing to the eyes and not from the 90s. A more attractive site wouldn't turn people off as soon as they visit it and would yield more users and support. Ubuntu's site for example looks nicer and only 0.1mb larger.

Are you volunteering to redo debian.org? Because that's how this works.

That's not how it works. I don't think the people on top of the debian community would just let anyone redesign their home page, even if the website would be objectively better in some regard.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by npteljes »

hanniabu wrote: post #51
bloopernova wrote: post #38

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Could you be more specific? What exactly should Debian's website offer that it currently isn't?

More pleasing to the eyes and not from the 90s. A more attractive site wouldn't turn people off as soon as they visit it and would yield more users and support. Ubuntu's site for example looks nicer and only 0.1mb larger.

I don't think a nice website would translate to that much more benefits, like new Debian users. If Debian was an online clothes retailer, and they wanted to compete with other such websites like asos.com, they'd need a website like them. But even then, Craigslist is also very popular, and the website design is similarly dated.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by oriettaxx »

I've just got this one

________________________________________

  root@ansible:~# apt full-upgrade
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree... Done
  Reading state information... Done
  Calculating upgrade... Done
The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:

  imagemagick ansible libopenexr25 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra
  libmagickwand-6.q16-6 imagemagick-6.q16 libmagickcore-6.q16-6
  imagemagick-6-common

  Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro
  The following packages have been kept back:
  python3-software-properties software-properties-common update-notifier-common
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
________________________________________

and to have those security upgrades I see I have to pay 500$ per year!!!!

wtf!

I'm going to remove all my comments from ubuntu help

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by sswezey »

dotancohen wrote: post #208
eVeechu7 wrote: post #190

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It runs as a user without the necessary permissions to access those devices?

So one should configure an alternative user for each group of permissions that any arbitrary app might need? Then what happens the day that I do decide that my weather app should access e.g. my location? Now I should move all its data and update my launch scripts to the new user? I happen to dislike snaps as well. The hard coded install directory is a passion point for me. But at least the permissions issue they are…

No, you can create groups for permissions that you'd like to enable and disable and add the user to the appropriate groups.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

ThenAsNow wrote: post #296
bleuuuu wrote: post #121

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why the aversion to systemd?

I want to like systemd, especially since it is the default and has all the mindshare in Linux. I'm also not particularly in love with the historic shell scripts approach, as some are. Some systemd elements, such as its journal, are convenient. My issues with it are: - If you setup an atypical configuration, particularly involving luks volumes, it is not hard to break systemd and dracut's assumptions, and then you wil…

I wonder if surface area of bash is even quantifiable, I never managed to read its man page to the end.
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