Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

news.ycombinator.com

1–10 of 21 posts

Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#1
I know most on HN are opposed to SOPA. I am not familiar enough with the bill to know the full implications if it becomes law. But doesn't everyone agree that there needs to be some law passed to protect the works of media creators? If SOPA isn't the answer, is PIPA the solution?

How would you design a bill to fight against online piracy?

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#2
You can't eliminate it completely, though companies like Nike, Apple and Microsoft are able to continue being profitable despite widespread pirating of their goods. In part the problem is that piracy is easier than current methods of getting content and partly that businesses haven't adapted to the new business models needed.

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#3
Let's all be clear here. SOPA is less about piracy and more about censorship.

The internet has evolved into becoming our only defense against people in power ( be they governments or corporations ) conspiring to keep the status quo by keeping information from us. SOPA is their attempt at confiscating this wonderful tool we have for organisation and spreading information.

This discussion is part of a larger debate as to the balancing act of affording unchecked power to a selected group of people. Keep in mind, the ideal of democracy allowing the replacement of these powers DOES NOT WORK in real life. THIS is the real root of the problem. This entire debate reminds me of the Lokpal bill debate going on in India. Essentially asking – How do you police the police?

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#4
You don't fight piracy with laws. You fight piracy with products.

Most piracy is more about convenience than price. Thousands of smarter people than me have written reams about this. Its like fighting obesity. You don't just take a drug and get a quick fix, it takes a different mindset that causes the patient to live a different kind of life.

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#5
post #2

You can't eliminate it completely, though companies like Nike, Apple and Microsoft are able to continue being profitable despite widespread pirating of their goods. In part the problem is that piracy is easier than current methods of getting content and partly that businesses haven't adapted to the new business models needed.

They are still profitable, but obviously they would more profitable without piracy. That is a point that needs to be considered. No one can just suddenly state that one company has too much profit. Just because media companies are profitable doesn't excuse pirating of their products

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#6

Let's all be clear here. SOPA is less about piracy and more about censorship. The internet has evolved into becoming our only defense against people in power ( be they governments or corporations ) conspiring to keep the status quo by keeping information from us. SOPA is their attempt at confiscating this wonderful tool we have for organisation and spreading information. This discussion is part of a larger debate as…

That's just conspiracy talk. So the same U.S. government that created the internet, and opened it up to the public, is now trying to censor it? I think the politicians are acting honestly and with good intent: their goal is to prevent this tool for communication for being used for criminal purposes, and yes, digital piracy is a crime.

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#7

You don't fight piracy with laws. You fight piracy with products . Most piracy is more about convenience than price. Thousands of smarter people than me have written reams about this. Its like fighting obesity. You don't just take a drug and get a quick fix, it takes a different mindset that causes the patient to live a different kind of life.

Convenience doesn't justify anything. It is more convenient for me to take a newspaper off my neighbor's lawn than it would be to contact the newspaper company and order a subscription, but that doesn't mean it's ok.

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#8
post #6

Let's all be clear here. SOPA is less about piracy and more about censorship. The internet has evolved into becoming our only defense against people in power ( be they governments or corporations ) conspiring to keep the status quo by keeping information from us. SOPA is their attempt at confiscating this wonderful tool we have for organisation and spreading information. This discussion is part of a larger debate as…

That's just conspiracy talk. So the same U.S. government that created the internet, and opened it up to the public, is now trying to censor it? I think the politicians are acting honestly and with good intent: their goal is to prevent this tool for communication for being used for criminal purposes, and yes, digital piracy is a crime.

The government doesn't act as a collective unit. It is made up of individual actors, however, it is entirely possible that by making decisions with the best of intentions, they end up gifting certain elements a magic wand to censor any and all activity that may threaten their power.

It's true, you wouldn't call the guys who created the atomic bomb mass murderers, however that doesn't change the disastrous consequences of their actions!

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#9
Actually, I don't agree - to my mind, the DMCA (as much as I disagree with most of it) already provides a mechanism for the situation to be handled: if we find our content on your site, we send you a notice; to be eligible for "safe harbor" status, the site must take the content down.

We've already seen that this law is often misused by large-scale content creators (see: Warner and Hotfile, various music labels issuing takedowns on files uploaded by their own artists). I don't know why I should expect that giving additional power to those most likely to misuse it is a good idea.

Re: Ask HN: If SOPA isn't the answer, how do you eliminate online piracy?

#10
How do you stop drug trade? How do you stop illegal activities in general. I'm not sure you can ever eliminate these. Most you can do is to curb them.

In the case of online piracy, as some have already said, part of the issue is convenience. But that is only a part of the issue (and this where netflixes, spotifies, and steams of the world come in). But you will never be able to stop people who rather pirate (either for financial reasons, symbolic reasons, etc.).

Now the question is, are you willing to give power to people who may abuse it to stop something that may be unstoppable or would you rather work on other means of curbing the issue.

Post reply on HN