My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet • Hacker News Board

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by rattray » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 4:49 AM UTC

daemonhunter wrote: post #9

wait so under ventura, im going to get prompted everytime i plug in my dock or usb to hdmi adapters for my monitos?

Only the first time for each monitor, I believe. It's really fine.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by RedShift1 » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 4:59 AM UTC

acdha wrote: post #3

His first gripe is the prompt for USB HID devices, where he even has been told the correct answer but attempts to pretend it away. Unfortunately, Apple is right whether or not he appreciates how many people have tried clever attacks – see https://github.com/topics/hid-attacks – but my favorite write up is this one: https://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/plasma_globe/

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Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by alberth » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 4:59 AM UTC

UI inconsistency even pre-venture was getting bad.

An post by a former Apple UI employee

https://www.corbinstreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/macos-12-monte...

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by siva7 » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 5:00 AM UTC

I guess such opinion pieces happen if you don't know what you don't know and mix that with arrogance.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by roxgib » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 5:00 AM UTC

Every tech journalist moans about Macs lacking touch screens, but I really hope it never happens. Touch interfaces and desktop interfaces are fundamentally different and having both just forces a lot of compromise. But it seems like Apple gets that and is just unifying the experience a bit rather than paving the way for touch screen MacBooks, at least I hope.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by detaro » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 5:02 AM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #12

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

see the links acdha posted for what it's supposed to protect against - devices that are not the devices you think they are.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by prng2021 » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 5:04 AM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #12

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

Guessing here but maybe it's supposed to be a security measure. What if you're in an office or public space and you have a hub or dock connected. A malicious actor could plug in an unknown device while you step away from the machine.

I also have Logitech peripherals that connect wirelessly to a USB receiver. I wouldn't want my receiver and machine accepting a connection from an unknown device.

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by siva7 » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 5:05 AM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #12

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

This thread clearly shows that even in 2023 people still don't understand USB attack vectors and still think this is some evil move by Apple to degrade the user experience

Re: My Controversial Opinion: Ventura Is Apple’s Worst macOS Yet

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Post by fluidcruft » Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 5:08 AM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #12

To me the idea of having to allow devices to connect is completely wrong. I have already undertaken a physical action to connect a device, why would I suddenly change my mind afterwards? The physical act itself IS the permission. What does it help when the OS asks you "are you sure"?

Presumably it would alert you that you've been tricked into plugging in a BadUSB or USB Rubber Ducky type device.

But... I'm skeptical it's more than a speedbump. I'm not super familiar with USB but all it might take for a BadUSB/Ducky to get past that is to just provide cloned device ids.