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Love the article. In my mind I see the problem of dynamic linking in rust to have a bunch of overlap with the "I want this rust library to be exposed in my higher level GC'd language with minimal safety issues/tedious handmaintained bindings" problem. My hunch is that the lack of expressiveness of the C ABI is holding back both. the thing I'd love to see some sort of "higher level than the C ABI" come out. And someth…
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Swift is backed by LLVM and Linux solid is pretty solid. The cross platform problem has always been the core libraries. Fortunately a pure Swift core foundation rewrite is underway. https://www.swift.org/blog/future-of-foundation/
Looks like I may eventually give Swift a try once the rewrite is done! I've been watching Swift for a while now but I don't have a Mac so I haven't had a reason to try it. Do you happen to have any idea about UI library support? Will UI still be Apple only?
But there’s nothing stopping other UI libraries from making Swift bindings.
My very vague understanding of Swift’s dynamic linking is that it works but comes with a huge performance penalty. To the point of it becoming unusable for high-performance apps. Is that wrong?
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I'd say that it isn't particularly useful, outside of the Apple ecosystem, but I do know that there has been Linux, and even Windows, support. In my case, I don't really care, as I program Apple native. I think it's an excellent language. I enjoy writing in it. I write Swift, every day.
Conversely, I don't really care about swift because it isn't particularly useful outside of the apple ecosystem.
Some people loathe everything Apple. They Just. Hate. Apple.
I've been dealing with that for over thirty years. Some people hate me, for no reason, other than I write code for Apple devices.
I don't hate anyone else, but I've tried programming a number of systems, and haven't enjoyed it as much, as I do, working with Apple's stuff.
I have heard great things about Swift but haven't spent a second looking into it because I assumed it's an Apple exclusive language - making it unsuitable for my use case of services deployed on Linux, developed from any OS. To what extent, if any, is Swift exclusive to Apple devices?
More details about platform support: https://www.swift.org/platform-support/ (tl;dr Apple platforms, Linux, Windows)
Love the article. In my mind I see the problem of dynamic linking in rust to have a bunch of overlap with the "I want this rust library to be exposed in my higher level GC'd language with minimal safety issues/tedious handmaintained bindings" problem. My hunch is that the lack of expressiveness of the C ABI is holding back both. the thing I'd love to see some sort of "higher level than the C ABI" come out. And someth…
So, COM?
My very vague understanding of Swift’s dynamic linking is that it works but comes with a huge performance penalty. To the point of it becoming unusable for high-performance apps. Is that wrong?
Yes, it is wrong. The article explains this quite well how you can trade performance and ABI stability.
It sure seems from the article that there are a lot of negative performance implications. Which totally be a price worth paying! But I would not agree that the article explains what that price actually is.
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That's really not the case with C# or Go. C# has first class Linux support nowadays (minus GUI support) and using Go on windows is quite easy (I daily drive go on windows at work).
With Maui, you can now have first class Linux gui support, same with Blazor. You can also even do some of the more cutting edge stuff on linux like compiling straight to ASM.
There were some unofficial efforts for Linux GUI support for MAUI's predecessor (Xamarin Forms), but never first party support.
[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/maui/supported-plat...
I have heard great things about Swift but haven't spent a second looking into it because I assumed it's an Apple exclusive language - making it unsuitable for my use case of services deployed on Linux, developed from any OS. To what extent, if any, is Swift exclusive to Apple devices?
fast.ai was very interested in Swift but dropped that project for that reason.