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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by tsol »

joshmanders wrote: post #376
jsnell wrote: post #244

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Nothing says "challenging the status quo" like a multi-millionaire messing with normal people who are just trying to do their job... I'm sure I when I first read this story, I thought it was hilarious. But since then, I've gained at least little bit of empathy. Think of this story from the perspective of the other people. Woz is being a total piece of shit, wasting their time being intentionally as suspicious as poss…

> Woz is being a total piece of shit, wasting their time being intentionally as suspicious as possible, just to waste their time and then pull off a "a-ha You know who's really wasting peoples time? Secret Service and a casino security guard because he tipped with legal tender that they haven't seen before, so they think he's some counterfeiter or something. I'd fuck with authority who was too stupid to realize that…

Is it really that stupid, in retrospect, that they investigated the guy that makes and uses a fake ID when flying? It shows he has a propensity to break the rules, and it may not always be in a strictly fun way

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by dbingham »

jlawson wrote: post #472
dbingham wrote: post #363

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It's not a new idea to me. It's an idea I've encountered many times, often propping up arguments of various kinds against pluralistic societies - which is an argument implicit in the comment above. Those arguments lead directly to ideas around ethnonationalism and segregating societies by cultural background, which is a direct analog for ethnicity. There's a straight line between that argument - which again, almost a…

Interesting. So you don't actually argue that it's untrue. You just argue that people shouldn't acknowledge it because doing so would lead to policies you think would be immoral. I'm just not sure that this anti-truth stance is tenable or really worth it. What if we can acknowledge the facts and then... handle them in a non-evil way? Or perhaps even use that knowledge to head off terrible outcomes that might otherwis…

No, I argued that it's the sort of thing people assume is "common sense" when it is often very poorly supported. And my argument was that said assumption often comes from a bad place (when you examine it) and leads to a bad place.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by tengwar2 »

coeneedell wrote: post #267
hueyluey wrote: post #218

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What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?

No matter what country you’re in, the military is in a position of authority (except maybe Costa Rica). Generally people consider a lie to be worse if it’s a lie you can use to get power.

I disagree. I can't think of any western country where the military are in a position of authority. It's something we have got rid of over the past 50 years, with the end of the juntas in Greece, Spain, and Argentina; Franco's Spain; and so on. There are some countries where the military are not running the place, but are "kingmakers", but I can't think of any western ones.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by jakelazaroff »

scarface74 wrote: post #389
slackfan wrote: post #378

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Because we get a statement showing what the PD used our tax money for, every single year, vs the endless black hole of the IRS. Also we can fire and disband them if we so wish. For us "Defund the police" is not a toothless meme, it's a reality that we can implement if the police become a nuisance. For instance my town fired the entirety of its' PD a good decade ago. Counterpoint; why do city folk hold their police de…

I’ve never known federal police to stop and frisk, racial profile, be accused of police brutality or stop someone for “suspiciously” walking through his own neighborhood where the county is only 2.9% Black (my 6 foot 3 step son who grew up in the burbs all of his life), we lived in the most affluent county in the metro area (this was Atlanta metro not saying much in the grand scheme of things) and we had a household…

Are you serious? Look up COINTELPRO. The FBI very literally tried to blackmail MLK into committing suicide. They helped Chicago law enforcement assassinate Fred Hampton. They tried to undermine the civil rights movement at every turn.

When we say “defund the police”, it includes federal law enforcement.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by slackfan »

scarface74 wrote: post #401
slackfan wrote: post #398

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They absolutely do all of that, if you live within 100 miles of a federal border, and anywhere else they happent to have jurisdiction. Being detained by feds sans warrant is patently unfun, lemme tell you that. I suppose I'm happy for you having the privilege to live such a sheltered life where you don't see any of this.

You mean Customs and Border Protection - another department that is aggrandized by the same people who “Back the Blue”?

No, I mean any and all Fed agencies, FBI, Border Patrol, Secret Service, etc, etc.

Yes, even the Postal Marshals.

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Post by somebodythere »

Aeolun wrote: post #413
njharman wrote: post #390

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It's a Felony to lie to federal agent. Who doesn't know that? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, it's a felony crime to: make a “false statement” to an agent of the > federal government related to a federal matter. ... A “false statement” can be: a material omission. a material misrepresentation, or. using a fraudulent document. Proffering a fake id when asked for a real id is clearly using a fraudulent document.

I’m wondering if you could argue that you were asked for ‘an ID’, not ‘your US passport or drivers license’.

You could argue it, but I doubt the argument would withstand an encounter with a judge.

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

Aeolun wrote: post #419
thinkyfish wrote: post #197

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"Such things are no longer jokes. They screw up entire lives." But should they screw up lives? Why should we put up with authorities that can't take a joke. This is the foundation of the culture of defiance that hacking was all about expressing.

> Why should we put up with authorities that can't take a joke. Probably because the number of instances of people with real bombs has gone up. It’s not a joke any more because the real bomb isn’t the exception.

Have they?

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

Sakos wrote: post #481
dereg wrote: post #169

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I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…

The people here have largely become insufferable outside of highly technical topics.

Yeah this place has become less interesting over the years. 95% of comments are nitpicks, sophistry, or just inflammatory.

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Post by tukantje »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #87
tukantje wrote: post #69

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I am quite an upstanding person, didn't commit crimes and when I see police I change the side of the street I am walking on even. As a minority, the police is scary. It only takes one bad apple for my life to take a turn for the worse. As it turns out, there is a non-negligible percentage of the population that hates my guts because of colour, so might as well be safe.

Not to belittle your stance, but everything you said is true regardless whether your a minority or not. Police can be scary, regardless if their skin color matches yours or not. They have near absolute authority to do nearly anything, and you'll lose in a he said-he said court case. But good officers can also be a substantial positive impact on society.

Hence the last sentence of my comment.

Whilst police is scary in general, it is much more likely for me to have an issue with them than someone who is a middle aged white guy, dressed well etc. People tend to judge others based off of stereotypes, i.e. "which box does this one fit in", and I know that the options for me, on average, are not super lovely.

As such, this isn't an argument for or against police or officers. It is something that highlights the "abusable authority" and for some minorities how the police is more "willing" to do so, on average. Hell, we are at the point where standup comedians are joking as "police wouldn't shoot me, I am not black" since it is quite a widespread fact by now.

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